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Comment Re:torture (Score 1) 172

I was trying to say that you were thinking OTHERS in this thread were arguing that torture is ok, but it is not what they were saying.

As to the guilty or not, does it matter - as you say and in my opinion, torture is not a valid method to determine guilt or facts of any kind, as the victim of the torture will probably end up confessing even if they are not guilty, just to stop the torture.
I also do not know if they were guilty of anything, as I have not studied the case in any detail, and do not have the knowledge of the cases to form an opinion, and in any case it would be an opinion, not the truth.

Comment Re:torture (Score 1) 172

The point I was trying to make is that no-one disagrees with you on your point of torture being bad.

Nobody in this thread has suggested torture is ok in any way for any reason.

The point made was that there are separate issues being ignored because they are not popular issues, such as internet privacy. So ACLU is focusing on issues people will be vocal about, and understand such as torture, rather then issues people don't really understand such as internet privacy.

Comment Re:[citation needed] (Score 2, Interesting) 172

I think they should focus on both issues, but the original poster thinks they are not focused on the online privacy issue.

I was not saying you believed in torture, but that you understood the original poster as arguing that torture is ok to save the majority. I was trying to point out that the original poster was not making this point, but that the ACLU should be focusing on issues that are affecting the majority of the population such as online privacy, rather then going for the political points of the torture issue.

I don't think anyone involved in this thread was arguing that torture is ok if it means that the majority is kept safe, but rather that there are other issues that do not "score points" that they are missing, that are actually quite serious and effect pretty much everyone directly.

Comment Re:[citation needed] (Score 1) 172

I believe the point was the ACLU should focus on an issue that effects the whole population (the story topic of a group of companies trying to control the internet in the name of "IP") rather then focus on a issue effecting a small number of people (torture/waterboarding).
As opposed to the way you seem to take the argument that torture of a few is ok to save the majoritiy (which is not what the quote you gave expressed, but I can see how you could get that from the statement).
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Submission + - Facebook: hard drive failure is no cause for alarm (

Slatterz writes: Facebook suffered a "rare" simultaneous hard drive failure recently, potentially taking down at least some of some users' photo collections temporarily. Here's how they explained it: "During an otherwise routine software upgrade on Friday night, we ran into some problems with our photo storage and a few of the hard drives where we store photos apparently failed all at once. We're trying to fully understand what happened, since simultaneous hardware failures like this are rare." As was proven recently when Gmail went down, free Web service can and do crash. Lets hope you've got contingencies when they do.
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MST3K is Back, Sort Of 264

Polar Star writes "Retrocrush reports that Mike Nelson, Kevin Murphy, and Bill Corbett are back making fun of crappy movies again in a new incarnation called The Film Crew. In the first of many new DVDs to be released, they take on a 1969 abomination called Hollywood After Dark which features a still-not-very-young Rue McClanahan as a down-on-her-luck actress who becomes a stripper. Needless to say, it's one of the scariest movies you'll ever see. There's plenty of funny jokes throughout, and they definitely prove themselves worthy of carrying on the MST3K tradition." Update 1925 GMT by SM: Corrected a few oversights and pointed to The Film Crew's actual website.
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Submission + - Google Flushes RoadRunner beyond Earthlink

BaysideAli writes: So it appears that while Google has always been a company of firsts (despite the obvious and infinite debate surrounding every first in the IT world), they have definitely struck gold with their latest invention. Taking advantage of the fiber optic cables most major cities have already installed throughout their main sewage systems, Google is offering free high-speed wireless internet access through these fiber-optic nodes in the sewer via your toilet. Flush the cable down, let it feed its way through and around the unnecessary feces caused by the current internet monopolies diarrhea of your revenue, and into the giant world of free high-speed internet. To think, that at the beginning of April in just 2007, Google would be able to not only crawl most of the viable web, but now offer an alternative to the choices (or if you are most people, choice) of overpriced, under serviced high-speed internet servers for free and through easy installation that anyone toilet-trained can do. Kudos to Google! Check it out at

Submission + - Google introduces Gmail Paper

digitaldruid writes: "Gmail starts today a free service that allows you to request a physical copy of any message with the click of a button. They will cover costs "with the help of relevant, targeted, unobtrusive advertisements, which will appear on the back of your Gmail Paper prints in red, bold, 36 pt Helvetica. No pop-ups, no flashy animations". The number of messages is unlimited, but don't worry about environment because "Gmail Paper is made out of 96% post-consumer organic soybean sputum, and thus, actually helps the environment"."

Submission + - Google's 2007 April Fool's Hoax

Anirban Paul writes: "Google has embarked upon a huge internet April Fool's hoax campaign as we speak (now it is 4:15am April 1st EST -NY). google has launched an april fool hoax as a link in the main search page that it is offering broadband internet service through household toilets. they have named the service as TiSP (beta); it is well written elaborate hoax with customer support, tech support, FAQs etc. it can also be accessed at it says the following: "Sick of paying for broadband that you have to, well, pay for? Introducing Google TiSP (BETA), our new FREE in-home wireless broadband service. Sign up today and we'll send you your TiSP self-installation kit, which includes setup guide, fiber-optic cable, spindle, wireless router and installation CD.""

Submission + - Gmail Paper

irabinovitch writes: "Google is offering a new service, Gmail Paper". As part of this service they will print and mail you copies of any e-mail you have received / sent at no cost. The postage / printing costs will be offset by selling ads on the back of the paper."

Submission + - Singularity at last?

Bartosz writes: "A small software company claims to have reached a singularity with their peer-to-peer system. They announced that some kind of artificial intelligence that understands source code emerged from the collaboration of large numbers of networked computers. Kurzweil people are all over it."

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