I know you're just being a douchebag, but in all seriousness, right now I'm trying to design an effective way for mesh networks to scale. My system presupposes their existence, and the tech isn't quite there yet. I believe that by making all the nodes aware of their location on the earth, and by making the nodes intelligent enough to discriminate between peers based on the broadcast power of the peer, I can solve the problem. But it takes time. The rest of the necessary technology has already been invented, this is the remaining key to the puzzle. Depolying it will be a whole different matter... ideally, something can be put together that can run on existing devices, so people can, if they wish, install the software and begin the process of administering their affairs using the new system.

If billions of people can be presented with the choice "From now on, we will ignore existing systems of authority and govern our affairs using this system. Anyone who attempts to use force to compel you to honour the rules of the old system is a violent criminal, and we will all co-operate to stop them. Do you agree?", and they say "Yes", and they KNOW that 9 out of 10 people they see on the street ALSO said yes, then the existing systems will fall. What will they do with their newfound power? I don't know. Evolve as a society? Kill themselves? Beats me. As long as vicious self-serving bastards are no longer able to wield them, I'll be content.

This ISN'T a stable society. It's a society that has been below replacement levels of reproduction for several generations. We're in the middle of a crisis of too many elderly and not enough young. You're living in a bubble untarnished by reality. If you search for key words such as "Demographic Winter" or "Ageing Population" there are plenty of numbers to substantiate the simple truth that we are REALLY FUCKED.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your ideals and preconceptions...

Ever heard of Prions?

Dead people do NOT make good fertilizer.

No, breeding is for living things. As opposed to dead things. If you're not a breeder, you're a dead man walking, and you better make yourself useful.

If you don't have kids of your own, then who the fuck are you to judge? If they let their kids run wild, their kids won't let you tame them, and they'll reproduce, and they'll carry on their family line, despite social pressure to abstain from reproducing and work. It's an effective defense mechanism against efforts to "civilize" them and use them.

I've been putting together a system that I think would be effective in pulling us out of this nosedive. I started in on an essay to explain it at one point, though I haven't worked on it recently... been designing the software needed to support it.

http://slashdot.org/journal/492191

The fundamental duty of all living things is to recreate themselves. After you do, something changes inside you that causes you to realize that you're not the center of the universe. That's called "Growing Up".

If you haven't bred yet, you're still a child. You shouldn't be allowed to vote, any more than any other mewling babe.

I went back to basics and made choices.

I am a person. Do I have value? Yes, I've decided that I do.

Does humanity have value? Yes, I've decided that it does.

So, the most fundamental basis of moral behavior has to be, "Does it cause us to destroy ourselves."

If behavior causes us to destroy ourselves, it is immoral. Full stop.

After that, I begin to consider the quality of the human experience. It is always better to exist than to not exist, but it is better to avoid suffering and afford humans dignity after the fundamental goal of survival is met.

For example, it is better if birth control makes it possible for people to have families that are more likely to survive and thrive, and afford women more dignity.

But, if every woman on Earth decided that they were going to just skip having children and focus on their careers, it would then become moral to rape them into pregnancy and force them to bear their children to term, and immoral to stand by and watch humanity become extinct because we don't have the stomach to do what needs to be done.

That's a ridiculously extreme example that will never actually come to pass, of course, but it illustrates the way in which behaviors become moral or immoral depending on the situation.

Exactly. You're irrational, and you're not alone in it, and that's the reason our cultures are in decline. Because everyone wants to talk about creating a sustainable population for whatever cute animal they have an affection for, but no one wants to take responsibility for sustaining our human population. They want to live like the proverbial grasshopper, and leave it to the ants.

We don't need women sitting behind computers. Who gives a flying fuck if they're there or not, really? What we need is for women to push out babies so there's someone there to care for us when we're old, and they're not doing it. Men are still working hard doing the death trades like they always have... whereas women have let our entire civilization down.
 
But really, men shouldn't blame women. We should blame ourselves. Men are the the fist that makes Law work, and Law belongs to us. Women cannot take it from us, we have to be manipulated into giving it to them.

But carry on saying what is politically acceptable, you gutless cowards.

The human cultures that are most exposed to modern scientific education are also those with birth rates below replacement levels. So, for whatever reason, scientific education is co-related with the decline of human civilization. If it leads to the decline of human cultures, it is not moral.

The reason that the researchers found scientific thought leads to moral behavior is because the researchers have a flawed definition of what is moral and what is not. Which is to be expected, because they're scientific researchers.

I'm not trolling at all. Do you not believe in Evolution? Both her and Turing were losers in the game of life.

Their words and everything they did will fade from significance, just like the words of every human being who was around 10,000 years ago have done.

Their short term significance is that they were exploited effectively by those who won this round of the game of life, and their offspring.

But, you know... don't let me dissuade you from sacrificing yourself to the education system. If you want to serve my children instead of serving your own, go for it. If you're going to be stupid, short sighted and materialistic, you may as well be taught to wear a saddle like the other useful animals.

You can sing all the praises you want about Grace Hopper, but she's gone. She didn't reproduce, she was a mutation that failed, and now is extinct.

As a living organism, she was a failure.

No decent human being would push young women in the direction she went.

That is the entire point of the thing.

No. Microsoft doesn't claim the API doesn't let them do that. They are very careful in their wording. "Our app serves Google’s advertisements using all the metadata available to us." and " We’ve asked Google to provide whatever information iPhone and Android get so that we can mirror the way ads are served on these platforms more precisely. So far at least, Google has refused to give this information to us." do not add up to "The API doesn't let us do that"

Google are the new Doubleclick, and claiming they do no evil is ridiculous, but so is your post.