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Comment Updates on the current situation insid North Korea (Score 5, Informative) 518

Update from inside North Korea: 12 Days of Mourning for Kim announced

North Korea has announced that it has entered a period of formal mourning following the death of Kim Jong Il lasting from the 17th, the day of his passing, until the 29th.

The news was released in a brief communiqué in the name of the ‘State Funeral Committee’.

Chosun Central News Agency announced the news, stating, “The body of National Defense Commission Chairman Kim will lie in state at Kumsusan Memorial Palace during the period of mourning from the 17th to the 29th. Visitors will be received between the 20th and 27th. The ceremony for his parting will be performed on the 28th in Pyongyang.”

“Central memorial meetings to honor Chairman Kim will open on the 29th,” it went on. “At that time in Pyongyang and sites in every province there will be an artillery salute and 3 minutes silence, and all official vehicles and vessels will sound their horns.”

Second update: NK Borders Ordered Closed Before Death Announcement

North Korean border guard units received orders at 1AM on the night of the 18th to close the border with China with immediate effect.

An inside military source told Daily NK this morning, “At 1AM on the night of the 18th a ‘Special Guard’ order was handed down to the unit. All officers who had finished work were recalled to the base and have been on emergency duty ever since.”

“At the time even commanding officers did not know about the contents of the order, and as per the order to completely close the border, normal patrols in groups of two were stepped up to groups of four. We only learned that the General had died from special broadcasts,” the source added.

Thus, it is clear that the North Korean authorities took steps to avert civilian unrest and potential mass defection attempts by shutting down the border and reinforcing patrols prior to announcing Kim’s death.

Third update: NK Shuts Down on News of Death

Following the official announcement of Kim Jong Il's death today, North Korea has imposed rigid social controls, including the complete closure of markets.

An inside source told Daily NK this lunchtime, "The jangmadang is closed and people are not allowed to go outside. Local Party secretaries are issuing special commands through local Union of Democratic Women unit chairwomen, and the chairwomen have been gathered at district offices for emergency meetings."

According to the source, National Security Agency and People’s Safety Ministry agents have been deployed in streets and alleyways to control civilian movements. There have not been any signs of public unrest to date.

Kim Jong Il's sudden death has apparently caught people off-guard, the source revealed, commenting, "Nobody had the slightest idea about the General’s death even right before they saw the broadcast. You can hear the sound of wailing outside."

That news agency gets the majority of their info by cell phone conversation with North Koreans who live along the Chinese/Russian border, which is how we're able to get updates from the inside.

Comment Re:Washington's got nothing better to do? (Score 1) 289

I think we have government because we all agree pure anarchy is bad.

What does 'pure anarchy' mean anyway? Serious question.

Most people haven't looked seriously into the work done in the past 50 years on stateless societies. Some experiments like Somalia show that the fall of the State leads to improved economic conditions (compared to its neighbors, not teh whole world). Dubai implemented private law when they designed their new society.

Anyway, State-form governments killed half a billion people in the 20th Century between wars and democide, so stateless societies have to at least be that bad before they're dismissed.

Some experiments like Somalia show that the fall of the State leads to improved economic conditions (compared to its neighbors, not teh whole world).

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha. I cannot believe you just trumpeted warlord-run Somalia, where there is no longer infrastructure to support food distribution or medical provisions or ANYTHING, as an example to promote your idea of anarchy! What a complete joke!

Comment Re:Well, it's possible... (Score 0) 663

You mean like how they handled Operation Fast and Furious?

Are you an idiot? Because there's no two ways about it. If you really think that article is applicable to giving another nation-state a fake intelligence lead is ANYTHING like what you posted, you are simply an idiot.

Stop posting unrelated things that don't help the topic at hand! You weren't even related to the parent poster!

Comment Re:Now these guys have some balls (Score 3, Informative) 663

Those British sailors that Iran captured were definitely not in Iranian waters. Iran has pulled that stunt several years earlier too, with British sailors again. But this drone was in Iran, performing surveillance on Iranian targets, and then crashed due to a mechanical malfunction of some kind. Iran didn't shoot it down or commandeer it and try to land it, and it didn't accidentally fly over into Iranian territory from Afghanistan.

Comment Re:Now these guys have some balls (Score 1) 663

It wouldn't surprise me if the drone was mostly COTS components wrapped in a custom airframe... commercial tech is pretty advanced these days, especially if you have a big budget.

I imagine that's exactly what this UAV is. Now our super-secret, top-of-the-line stealth geometry and RAM-coated UAVs probably have all of their vital components manufactured at government-owned chip fabs and are purposefully designed to be reverse-engineering-proof, much like the components of the JSF export models.

Comment Re:Yeah, Riiiight... (Score 2) 281

Cause in case of a sheep missing, you trust the wolf on saying it was really the bear. Riiiight. ^^

The only thing I know for a fact, is that I have not experienced any of it with my own senses, and so everything I think I "know" about this subject comes from other people, probably all of which have also not experienced it with their own senses but gotten it from even more sources, and so on and so on. With everyone in all those chains having their own set of perceptive biases in their senses and brains, and their own interests. I can choose who to trust and who not. But most people just trust whatever fits their own model of reality best, disregarding that it might be wrong. And the same is true for everyone of you too.

So unless it has a noticeable effect on me personally, instead of wasting my mental resources on this, I use them for something that has a bigger effect on improving my life and keeping what I have. How about you? :)

Great, so you don't even know if Mexico is a real country existing south of the US.

Comment Re:Money talks, and you-know-what walks! (Score 1) 144

It's funny, but when this guy had his servers, etc., he was "cock of the walk". But when he got hit with legal troubles and the money dried up, now, all of a sudden, he's on the receiving end. I wonder what he thinks about now that his whole life has been de facto "wiki-leaked' for all the world to see. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pontificating on the morality of WikiLeaks - once the info is out of the bag, you can never really put it back in. However, I am simply commenting on the irony of Mr. Assange's situation. And, assuming that all his legal troubles can be put behind him, what kind of future will he have? My point is that this guy will always be under the microscope. Will he ever be able to have a "normal" life ever again? I;m doubtful about this. John V. Karavitis

No, he probably will not have a normal life again. And you know how he could have avoided it? By releasing only documents showing wrongdoing, rather than releasing thousands of documents indiscriminately and saying "have at it!" That is irresponsibility and naivety to the extreme.

Comment Re:He already lost (Score 1) 144

Are you kidding? These are a bunch of company brochures and a few publicly released reports from 160 intelligence contractors. Where is the leak? It's convenient that they put these all in one place for us, but these were already readily available. Wikileaks is now leaking public documents to the public.

Comment Re:Might just be replying to a troll, but .... (Score 1) 144

The hilarious thing is that you hate the US government and think it's completely corrupt and can do no right. But when someone airs the US government's dirty laundry, you call them an anti-American traitor.

The irony with people like you would be delicious if it weren't so frustrating to have to deal with on a regular basis.


How the hell did you gather that from what he said? He said "government should be allowed to at least have some secrets".

And as an aside, what US dirty laundry did Wikileaks air, again? Besides the gunship video, I'm not sure what US wrongdoing Wikileaks has exposed. Specifically, where are the incriminating cables? If you want to give me examples, I do check my comment history somewhat regularly for replies.

Comment Re:First he has to win this appeal... (Score 0) 144

Limecat, here's a tip for you:

It's possible to have a debate without lying to support your position. If your position can't be supported without lies, maybe it's not a very good position to take?


What he says is indeed true. Even though I didn't fully agree with a couple of their more benign leaks, I was a supporter of Wikileaks up until they released the shamelessly slanted and heavily edited Collateral Murder video. If you think it was only edited for brevity and clarity, then you are not approaching this issue with any sort of objective mind. By releasing that biased video they completely lost all credibility with me as a reliable source of untainted information.

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