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Comment Re:Take that... (Score 1) 257

Direct observation of quasars and other celestial objects.

We can deffinetivly identify the direction of rotation of pulsars as well as a variety of other objects with accretion discs. From these observations we have determined that from our perspective, the orbital plan is esssentially random.

Since we know that angular momentum is conserved, it is safe to assume that the original stars that formed these objects had a random distribution of orbital plans relative to us.

Since we know stars have a random distribution of orbital plans, it is safe to assume that the planets round thoes stars do as well...

All based on direct observation.

Comment Re:And now lets word it to screw the little guy. (Score 2) 694

Actually, the military spending (Not just DOD) is actually ~60% of federal spending when you include everything related to defense including homeland security, CIA etc, military projects at NASA, veterans affairs etc plus the interest on the debts directly related to these projects.

Right now the DOD (only about half of all defense spending) is fully 50% of the world spending on military. The US is only 20% of the world GDP. therefore the CORRECT spending on the military is actually about 25% of what we actually spend...

Social security is not a problem. It is completely funded through payroll taxes.

Medicare IS a problem but the solutions is politically unpalitable... True comprehensive coverage of every single person with a reduction in actual benefits (primarily not offering MRIs when X-rays are sufficient)

Comment Re:Social conservatives amaze me... (Score 1) 569

> I dunno if we should mandate it on men. Then again, I don't think it should be mandated for women either, at least not without parental consent to opt in.

The problem with that approach is that the anti-vaccination kooks don't just make themselves and each other sick, they incubate diseases that affect everyone.

Comment Re:This is god talking to man (Score 1) 1345

As far as the levitical laws, for the most part we actually follow them today.

They described crop rotation, bathing, illness identification and structural fumigation. All these things we still do today.

Most people concentrate on the dietary rules but why are they bad? Most of the animals forbidden were generally poor food or even deadly. Pork for instance is still a meat that has a disease risk and still kills people every year.

How about the marriage laws? Remember, people often died young and a surviving wife's only chance of living was to remarry and so she was married to the closest male relative rather than a stranger. In this scenario people need clear rules on who can marry whom without inbreeding too badly.

How about the homosexuality... If you actually read the bible, homosexuality was only mentioned about a half-dozen times. The Israelites were forbidden to use sex, homo or hetero, in the worship of the lord and they were not allowed to use rape, homo or hetero, as a means of interrogation.

There are only a few parts of the old-testament law that I don't really get. The first is to not "Stew a lamb in it's mothers milk." I guess maybe they thought it was cruel or disgusting or something. The next is "Only wear clothes of the same material." I have to assume this was to keep the clothes from wearing out since different fabrics wear at different rates which tends to shorten the life of the garment over either material alone. But both of these are guesses on my part and really minor concerns.

As far as old vs new, there really isn't that much difference. You car comparing writings that are at LEAST 2000 years apart. When you compare the new testament to Malachi, the youngest old testament book, you find far fewer differences even though these are almost 500 years apart. There were other texts that did not make it into the bible that actually show a fairly smooth transition from genesis to Matthew.

As far as Paul vs Mark, there actually aren't many differences. Remember, Mark was reporting history (he even describes himself as a reporter) while Paul was taking the principles and creating an operating organization. There are aspects in real life applications that Jesus did not go into great detail on and Paul filled in those details.

Actually I really respect Paul because he taught that 'Jesus said this, I believe this, but it would be ok to do that.'

Excluding the Unitary Universalists who are not and don't claim to be Christian, what major differences are there between the various mainstream sects of Christianity? Excluding of course who it the earthly head of the church.

Comment Re:This is god talking to man (Score 1) 1345

Who said god is afraid?

Why is god an asshole? Since as you pointed out it was this knowledge that turned us from happy and innocent into what we are today.

I actually often say that pre-puberty is the best time of life. As they say, ignorance is bliss.

Did god forbid knowledge for his god or ours? Also if you recall, god cast them out of the garden NOT because of the knowledge but because they had access to the 'tree of eternal life.' Can you imagine the terror of immortal man as we are today...

Comment Re:Science is evil too (Score 1) 1345

I suggest you re-read your Torah, Bible, Koran and you Tipitaka.

The actual morality espoused is far from scary in fact I bet it is what you personally wish for yourself.

Now, like people can abuse science, people can make claims in the name of a religion that goes directly against the principles of that religion and because they are either a person of note or because the general social environment is unstable a portion of the population who are intellectually lazy will follow. This does NOT mean the religion actually supports this view.

Comment Re:Science is evil too (Score 1) 1345

umm, look up the definition of philosophy.

what do you think the Ph in PhD stands for...

Doctorate in Philosophy.....

The philosophy of science is that the universe is understandable and testable. That my friend is a philosophy.

Yes, Nazi's misused science, just like Branch Davidians misused religion, just like jihadists misused religion, just like Westboro baptist misuses religion....

Comment Re:Science is evil too (Score 1) 1345

Thank you for proving my point :)

Science is a religion because the fundamental philosophy is un-testable and only followed through faith. If you question this assessment than I suggest you research the philosophy of science. Science like most religion acknowledges this gap.

FYI the Nazi's euthanasia was based directly on Darwin's work.

  The communist manifesto was based directly on economics and psychology.

I would point out that social science, like what China uses, is a recognized branch of science...

Finally, you are confusing volume with quantity. The extreme people tend to be orders of magnitude louder than the typical person regardless of the arena. Just ask a partisan about trickle-down economics. The actual portion of actively religious who espouse the extreme philosophy you are talking about is actually far lower in the US than the rest of the world even though we are one of the most religious countries in the world.

I do agree, a post-industrial society is not likely to stone people. However we have far more effective ways of killing people now. Back several thousand years ago, stoning was actually the most humane way to execute someone commonly available. Hit in the head with a single 15 pound stone and you are out, feeling no pain. With a sword, which were rare, you could take hours to die. Beheading was very difficult because the metal sucked, hanging even today can end up slowly strangling you to death.

BTW, I personally work in pharma developing drugs. I have done HIV research and am working on a Masters in Statistics. I AM a scientist by profession. From everything I have seen, Christianity and science are in perfect agreement. The few slight areas of disagreement are either due to an incomplete understanding of the research or historical drift in the text/translations.

I challenge you to find a case where Christianity and science a materially different...

Comment Re:Wrong assessment (Score 1) 1345

Tell me, what would morality look like to a hunter-gatherer?

Likely very little in property rights and even less in sanctity of life. After all, you own nothing and your lives are very short.

How about pure agrarian societies? How about early industrial age?

If you read the bible beginning to end you see that the morality of god DOES change in style but not kind. It is man that is limited in our ability to respect others. As human society advanced so do gods requirements of us. If you compare the actions of the Israelites to the surrounding people you find that they are actually the most civil group around.

You could assume that it was man that changed god as he matured but if that were the case why would they have had such a hard time keeping up with the new requirements and why would they make themselves look so bad in the bible? Human society changes human nature doesn't.

Women's lib only became possible when Women could control their own reproduction and when physical strength was not an absolute requirement to make a living.

And yes, I do fairly well. My wife, the Aeronautical engineer very much likes me even after a decade together.

Comment Re:This just makes sense (Score 1) 1345

> It's also why they didn't put Hitler in, as to many people he's just a misunderstood guy who tried to do his best against the forces of Zionist-Communism.

Well, that and he was a Roman Catholic, so it would weaken the point they were trying to make. The superior morality of religion is one of the few arguments that cannot be successfully Godwin'd. =)

Comment This is god talking to man (Score 1) 1345

You also need to remember that this is god dealing with man through time.

Look at the bible as a whole. Mankind starts in a very mean state. He was violent, agressive and not very social. In this situation, if God is to respect free will, he is limited in what he can command his people to do. As man develops God moves from Kill everyone to guard the land to Turn the other cheek to charity is all important.

The 'evil' we see in the bible is more due to the limits of human society that the goals of god.

What is interesting is that the Irealites were actually kinder and gentler that any of the surrounding peoples.

Comment Science is evil too (Score 1) 1345

As opposed to the 'religion' of science:

Nazis leap to mind. They used 'science' to justify their policies

Soviet Socialism was 'science' based

China and it's forced abortion policies are also science based.

Science is hardly a pristine philosophy.

The truth is, humans are malliable creatures that fear change and differences in general. They will latch on to ANYTHING that gives them an excuse to act as their Id directs them.

Just because violence is done in the name of religion does not mean that the religion encourages, advises or even accepts it. You are looking at the most extreme people in the most extreme situations.

I could see the same people burying a woman up to her neck and stoning her to death because her genotyping says she and her chosen partner would create bad offspring...

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