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Comment Re:So? (Score 1) 656

*sigh* - Show me some long term data, not cherry picked ranges. For example, when the five-year running average slopes down, it starts to become interesting. (the five year slope is pretty flat currently, so it could go either way next year)

Here's the same data source for 1979 through 2008. It's apparent that it has not been cooling for the last six years. At best you could claim 2 years, but that is not enough to claim a trend when you're talking about global climate.

Here's a comparison of satellite temperatures and direct surface measurements. All of the data agree that there is an overall warming trend, they merely disagree on the extent of the warming.

Let me be clear - I am not claiming that this is a doomsday scenario. My only point is that the data does not support the claim that we are in a cooling trend.

Comment Re:So? (Score 1) 656

All your temperature records are from Nasa. Nasa changes old data mostly down and doesn't explain why. The result is a warming trend that isn't in the original data. I don't believe their temperature record anymore!

The raw data is also available if you are that suspicious. They correct for things like time of day -- it doesn't make sense to compare 9am samples directly against 12noon samples now does it?

I use the temperature record of the University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH). The temperature is measured by satellites. Therefore there is no heat island effect that distorts the data.

Good, b/c UAH data also shows a global warming trend, too. It just shows a bit less warming than does the nasa data. Both data sets agree that the overall trend is still warming (not cooling, as was asserted above)

But most importantly, none of the temperature shows an alarming rise in the global temperature.

Who gets to decide what level is alarming? See, I don't need to use qualifiers. On average, the measured temperature is getting warmer. Simple - no qualifiers needed. If the observed amount of warming is significant or not is an entirely different matter, I am merely pointing out that it is incorrect to state that there is a cooling trend.

Comment Re:So? (Score 1) 656

At any rate, I claim there's a cooling trend based on data such as that presented at:

If you take a trend line from 2002 or later to present, you'll notice a downward trend. That is "cooling".

You should learn to read graphs better. As you mentioned, the lowest value is 0.1 C -- which indicates warming. Any positive value indicates warming, any negative value indicates cooling. There are only positive values on that entire graph. The downward trend from 2002 in that graph only means that things are warming less rapidly than before. "Warming less rapidly" is still warming, not cooling (you might notice that I even mentioned that in my post).

The other graph is for one specific altitude layer. That's why I presented graphs depicting multiple altitudes, latitudes, hemispheres etc. If you are talking about a trend then you need more than one data point.

what gives you the slightest confidence their prediction for 2100 is worth a thing?

What are you talking about? I said nothing about predictions. Please don't confuse global warming with Global Warming - the former is merely a description of observed data while the latter is pretty much a religion. My point is quite simple: on average, the measured temperature around the world is increasing. To say otherwise is inconsistent with the observed data. Every dataset that I've examined is consistent in this (if you have seen other large data sets that contradict this, please refer them to me, I would like to see them).

Comment Re:So? (Score 1) 656


Fixed that for you, it's been getting cooler the last 10 years.

Is that so?

The truth is that 2008 is the coolest year since 2000. Every year from 2001 to 2007 was warmer than 2008. Creatively spun, one can make it sound like things have been cooling since 2000. But in reality, the trend is still warming with merely one data point (this year) below the upward slope.

Comment Re:So? (Score 5, Informative) 656

Not surprisingly, the global climate is also in a cooling trend.

Needs citation.
Global Temperature Land Ocean Index? -- Increasing
Global Temperature (meteorological stations)? -- Increasing.
Annual Mean Temperature Change for Three Latitude Bands? -- Slight dip for low latitudes, but mostly increasing
Annual Mean Temperature Change for Hemispheres? -- You guessed, it, increasing.
Global Monthly Mean Surface Temperature Change? -- All positive (thus, increasing)
Annual Mean Temperature Change in the United States? -- Shocking! - also increasing!
Seasonal Mean Temperature Change? -- Don't let the dip fool you, just means it is warming less rapidly

Perhaps you heard that 2008 is the coolest year since 2000? Well that's true. 2008 has the coolest temperatures of the past 8 years. But guess what? It's the 9th warmest year on record (since 1880). I'd wait for a few more data points before claiming a global cooling trend.

Talk about inconvenient...


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Submission + - FBI snaps up Napoleon III's gun from online sales (

coondoggie writes: "The FBI doesn't usually find itself in the business of retrieving guns but last week it made an exception: a rare Gastinne Renette carbine taken from a Paris military museum during World War II while the Germans occupied Paris that once belonged to Napoleon III. French authorities have searched for the 37-inch gun ever since and when it popped up on the Web site, French officials contacted Interpol, which in then enlisted help from the FBI.An undercover operation was initiated by local FBI agents, and agents from the FBI's Art Crime Team, which resulted in the safe recovery of the weapon last week. The Art Crime Team is the FBI's 12-member rapid-deployment unit responsible for investigating cases involving cultural property and artwork. To date, the Team is responsible for recovering more than 850 items worth more than $65million."

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