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Comment Re:NetBSD (Score 1) 145

Mhm. Can the kernel image be changed, like with config(8) -ef /bsd on MirBSD/OpenBSD, to not do that?

I think something in /etc/rc drops me to single user when INSECURE is set, but itâ(TM)s been quite an amount of months, so I do not remember precisely.

Comment Re:NetBSD (Score 1) 145

IIRC, that wasn't it: it did find the root filesystem but was hardcoded to single user and securelevel -1 (I should note that this is the same kernel as was used for the installation).

But thanks for the offer anyway ;-)

Since I can't find an eMail in the archives, I assume I only asked in IRC :( but I did the installation attempt at a conference, so...

Ask Atari-Frosch in #atari-home on OFTC for details, it's her computer, and she can power it on and look. (I think Linux failed due to too few ST-RAM for the kernel to fit. It's rather fat nowadays...)

Comment Re:what about a linux kickstart rom?? (Score 2) 145

I'm not good with details on Amiga, but I think the procedure is:

You boot some sort of Kickstart/Workbench, then run an AmigaOS program which is the Linux bootloader and pass it the kernel and, if needed, the initrd from the AmigaOS filesystem, it will load them and make them usable, then jump into Linux. From then onwards, that one will be the OS in charge, making ext4 available etc.

Sadly, no kexec yet. Having to copy out the kernel instead of being able to load it directly from ext4 (or whatever you choose) would be cool.

AFAIHH some of the emulation projects have made available Free (as in Freedom) ROMs for TOS (EmuTOS) and Kickstart, which contain enough code to run this without needing the proprietary Amiga stuff. But, like I said, I'm nowhere near knowledgeable about this part of those architectures, plus I mostly worked on (emulated and a few real) Ataris, not Amigas, while doing this. (And even there, I did as few as possible on the "native" side.)

Comment Re:NetBSD (Score 1) 145

Right, but I recently tried to install NetBSD/atari on AtariFrosch's box, and the installer died on itself. I, having BSD experience, managed to still install it by manually untarring the sets, running MAKEDEV, etc. but the kernel seems to have hardcoded booting into securelevel -1 and single user, so the system doesn't come up afterwards without some manual effort on each boot.

No NetBSD® person I asked could help, and the mailing list was dead as well.

Granted, the software works, but it's less refined. (That being said, while Wouter built a debian-installer image, nobody has tested it yet, and installing sid is always chancy due to its moving nature. But debootstrap, edit fstab, get a kernel and boot into it works.)

Comment Re:WinUAE (Score 1) 145

cbmuser already issued an Intent To Package FS-UAE to Debian, which makes use of WinUAE's "accurate emulation".

I believe that you should be able to use wouter's d-i build from to install an m68k system from unstable (with the usual caveats, i.e. installing or debootstrapping unstable does not always work). Note that the build is still "fresh" and nobody has tested it yet, so a failure would not mean an emulation problem.

Once FS-UAE is in Debian, I'll likely publish a disc image for starters like for the emulated Atari. (Today, I'll make updated .tar.gz archives of a debootstrap result, which helps people already running etch-m68k or sarge (the image you linked is Debian 3.1 = sarge) to quickly install a fresh system, or at least the user space part.)

Watch the debian-68k@lists.d.o mailing list, and/or the Debian Wiki, for progress.

Comment Re:WinUAE (Score 1) 145

Last time I looked, qemu-system-m68k lacked MMU support.
Someone recently said qemu-user-m68k was usable, but that does syscall level translation (I wonder what they do about the TLS and atomic-cmpxchg syscalls that are recent-m68k specific) and thus doesn't suffice.

Comment Re:Stop. Just stop. (Score 1) 145

Finding bugs in Debian, gcc, eglibc, the Linux kernel, by running it on minority systems is a decent outcome of this, Iâ(TM)d say.

The purpose of having bragging rights that mksh works on all platforms, no matter what obscure, is personal, so you canâ(TM)t measure relevance anyway. Iâ(TM)ve even done DEC ULTRIX and Haiku successfully. Oh, and Plan 9â¦

Besides, it was a nice project to learn about how Debian works ;-)

You should learn to think outside of the box. What makes you think reviving ancient hardware ever was the purpose?

Besides this, I think the other replies already said everything needed.

Comment Re:Cool story, really.... (Score 1) 145

Actually, I got KDE 4.8 working (to prove my patches against gcc-4.6 and qt4-x11 were correct). As long as you don't start KDEPIM (Kontact), it's actually decent fast (in tightvncserver):

Funnily enough, a sole GTK+ application (xchat) in a light-weight window manager (IceWM, otherwise much faster than KDE) was slower.

Of course, once I started Kontact, all bets were off, but then, whenever I do that on the company desktop at work (where we're forced to use it for Groupware - the calendar you see is my actual account at work, sans a few sensitive information) even a modern x86 machine gets slow ;)

Comment Re:Cool story, really.... (Score 1) 145

Not just Debian. Another two persons interested in porting mksh to anything possible and then some, as well as I, are trying to get an A/UX box running.

Also, whatâ(TM)s the leading GNU/Linux distribution on cris (ETRAX 100)? Debian doesnâ(TM)t support that⦠(also, I dab in klibc and dietlibc a bit, and the formerâ(TM)s got cris support code that warrants testing.)

Comment Re:Hardware? (Score 1) 145

Right, but we are doing this âoethe Debian wayâ, that is, running a native compilation and package generation in clean throw-away chroots. Debian package generation is not just compilation, itâ(TM)s a bunch of other stuff (dependency management, shared library management, etc.) and, personally *and* from my experience with the BSDs and FreeWRT, I am of the opinion that cross-compiling is only good for initially bootstrapping a port.

Besides, natively compiling forced us to fix lots of bugs in the kernel, eglibc and gcc, and backport other stuff to gcc, and to eat our own dogfood.

My goal with this was *not* just to have a system running Linux/m68k, but to have the process of auto-building packages working. (If you research, youâ(TM)ll find out that Iâ(TM)m a die-hard x86 and GW-BASIC fan, so I have no history with m68k other than eyeing them strangely for having the wrong endianness.) Also, I learned a lot of how Debian works in the process ;-)

Comment Broad approach (Score 1) 537

The latter approach is the better one in the long term.

You are expected to learn any programming language to actually use
by yourself. The university gives you the basics, a broad overview,
and the tools you need to learn these.

It is also a common mis-conception that youâ(TM)ll be employed immediately
after finishing university. No, really not. University does not prepare
for the workplace. You need more real-life experience than that, which
is why universities (donâ(TM)t know about America, but over here they do)
require at least one internship be passed before the diploma can be
achieved. You will learn real-life work skills there, and (in case of
a programming job) get real-life programming experience, which is dif-
ferent from merely learning a programming language.

Trust me if I say that, with some shell languages such as mksh, you
can both _script_ and _program_ in shell, such huge is the difference.
Most never see the latter niveau.

Iâ(TM)d suggest you use the university time to _really_ get to know the
basics of as many languages as you can â" including functional and
other âoeweirdâ languages. Gwydion Dylan, Haskell, LISP, you name it.
Then, do your assignments in various languages for play; youâ(TM)ll find
out which ones you like/dislike and which ones are better/worse suited
for the task at hand. Bonus points (to you only) if you do some of the
assignments in two languages (probably using *different* algorithms â"
tailor the algorithm to the language used, not to the theory related
to the assignment, as academics want to make you).

Note I know both the academic world and that of âoecraftmanshipâ, Iâ(TM)ve
seen both sides.

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