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Comment Re:Why Crowdfunding ? (Score 1) 104

So in this case, this is showing that there is almost no one that want it, since there is less than 10000 persons who pledged money for that. That's a bit sad, i would have pledged if I didn't changed my phone just before ( ie, if Canonical did communicate in the open, I would for sure waited a bit more, but I guess that 1 person wouldn't have changed much ).

Comment Re: Doesn't make sense (Score 1) 182

Sure, and admins do not need to make sure the OS is properly funded, cause everything come for free and most of them have so much time to contribute.

And of course, admins do not need any training, do not need to have certified hardware cause they can perfectly guess what is working just by looking on specifications. And of course, none of them never read the documentation, nor call the support for complex problems, because all admins are experts in every possible domain.

Comment Re:And it's still not as good as Ubuntu or Debian. (Score 1) 202

To be honest, you need more than just a puppet recipe to make a mail server. There is several how to because everybody has a different view on what to use. Dovecot, cyrus, ldap/mysql/simple user, postfix/exim/sendmail, what spam filtering, how, etc, etc. People are asking what module they should use to do this or that, and everybody is replicating module because the current one do not work like they want. So the issue is not solved, it just moved elsewhere.

The live spin are made using kickstart. So someone could already use that to replicate the setup, and there was some proposal to use ansible on the fedora-devel ist, not sure how far this went.

Comment Re:Will it be as broken as Fedora? (Score 3, Informative) 118

You can try openstack on Fedora, or look at RDO ( http://openstack.redhat.com/Main_Page ).

And Fedora is as broken as the community make it broken. If there is no one to make bug reports, triage them, make QA, then yeah, this slip. There is lots of way to help on this part, from giving karma to update testing and testing prerelease.

Comment Re:Show what an inferior OpenStack might look like (Score 3, Informative) 118

I am sure that your company policy should include "do not use Technology preview on production servers". If it doesn't, then I suggest to add it, and then complain that using RHEL do not have the packages you need, if you want to switch to Debian. That would be much more smoother. than trying to blame the vendor for your lack of clue regarding what is supported and what is not ( especially when comparing to Ubuntu, where you do not even have the guarantee that Mark will not change his mind and just stop the project, or focus it on something else, like they did on the desktop, on bzr, and several stuff )

Comment Re:This was even a question? (Score 1) 192

Your analogy is totally wrong. That's more :

- here is a list of stuff, we will do our best to support, but you have no guarantee on anything
and the other
- here is a list of stuff, we plan to guarantee this. Also, as we know that you may want to plan and deploy the technology for testing in advance, so here is a preview for testing, we wait on your feedback, but that's too new to guarantee much.

That you have a business case do not change much. People have business case for lots of stuff, that doesn't mean this can done or supported in the long term.

In the end, you can turn that as much as you want, you seem to just rant because you have no one to blame for your lack of understanding of the current documented policy.

Comment Re:RedHat be unsmart? (Score 3, Insightful) 118

Well, that's the point, ie you need more than hobbyist. IE, when it come to be "enterprise" ready, people expect documentation, training, certification, support, and this is not free ( because while some people enjoy writing documentation or making support, there isn't that much people doing it for free ). And also, when you start to pay, you tend to expect someone to handle the sales, someone to negociate, etc, etc.

Comment Re:Isn't unwillingless to learn a big problem? (Score 1) 192

There is no such thing as "sake for the sake of change". Either you change and do exactly the same way with a better architecutre ( so it is more extensiible ), or you rewrite to be more maintainable ( so you can spend more time later on fixing others issues, or offering features ).

But if there is a change, then something improved somewhere, and so the change was not done without reason. That people miss the reason of a change doesn't mean there isn't one, just that they do not see and that it may not matter to them. And that doesn't mean it doesn't matter to someone else, coders included.

Comment Re:Isn't unwillingless to learn a big problem? (Score 1) 192

It is not really "not learning", it is more "not learning too much in 1 go", and "not learining too much when you have different versions". I am sure people can learn if you give them time, but usually, you don't give them time. RHEL 7 will come with various news stuff ( systemd is taken for granted, there is story about having xfs by default, and for sure, lots of news other under the hood changes and improvement ), and nowadays, IT is talking about cloud, about puppet/automation, etc, all of them who are rather huge changes since the last few years. So yeah, people can learn, to some extend, there is a limit.

Also, remember we are talking of a default setup. The regular gnome 3 is just 1 click away, this is not forcing anything on people, those that can want or love gnome-shell still have it.

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