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Comment Re:Still no nefarious behavior from where I sit (Score 1) 1011

Let's review... The hacked emails look bad, but they were obtained illegally and were never meant for public consumption - these emails were never "peer reviewed" so to speak. As far as I'm concerned, they are irrelevant, as tempting as it is to see some giant conspiracy in them.

The fact that this is modded 5-insightful shows where Slashdot has gone. Bye, it was nice knowing you, Slashdot.

Comment Re:Science as Open Source (Score 1) 1011

What you are saying is true for cases where the data is so small that reproducing the experiment is not a major investment. But when you are a government-funded organization with millions of pounds invested in collecting and collating the data, some of which may not even be obtainable in the same form, to claim that your results are reproducible because someone else can invest millions of pounds is ridiculous. Yet that is what the HadCRU data set would require to be reproduced, *even if* the description were comprehensible.

Comment Re:Just another day (Score 1) 1011

What a load. Peer review is not accuracy checking in the slightest. It is a sanity check on submitted articles, to remove obvious poseurs.

They have tossed the raw data, not intermediate runs. Their numbers simply cannot be reproduced. Their data set is essentially meaningless. They are saying "trust us", and the code that is evident in the files posted shows that you can't even begin to trust them.

Their work is completely discredited. They are disgraced.


Climatic Research Unit Hacked, Files Leaked 882

huckamania was one of many readers to write with the news that the University of East Anglia's Hadley Climatic Research Unit was hacked, and internal documents released. Some discussion and analysis of the leaked items can be found at Watts Up With That. The CRU has confirmed that a breach occurred, but not that all 61 MB of released material is genuine. Some of the emails would seem to raise concerns about the science as practiced — or at least beg an explanation. From the Watts Up link: "[The CRU] is widely recognized as one of the world's leading institutions concerned with the study of natural and anthropogenic climate change. Consisting of a staff of around thirty research scientists and students, the Unit has developed a number of the data sets widely used in climate research, including the global temperature record used to monitor the state of the climate system, as well as statistical software packages and climate models. An unknown person put postings on some climate skeptic websites that advertised an FTP file on a Russian FTP server. Here is the message that was placed on the Air Vent today: 'We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps. We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents.' The file was large, about 61 megabytes, containing hundreds of files. It contained data, code, and emails apparently from the CRU. If proved legitimate, these bombshells could spell trouble for the AGW crowd." Reader brandaman supplied the link to the archive of pilfered data. Reader aretae characterized the emails as revealing "...lots of intrigue, data manipulation, attempting to shut out opposing points of view out of scientific journals. Almost makes you think it's a religion. Anyone surprised?" And reader bugnuts adds, for context: "These emails are certainly taken out of context, whether they are legitimate or fraudulent, which adds to the confusion."

Comment (Marginalized, demonized) economists (Score 1) 720

The Guardian has an editorial claiming that the economic establishment is too fearful to come clean on the reality of oil suppplies, and makes an analogy with the (marginalized, demonized) economists who warned of a coming economic collapse in 2007.

What about the (marginalized, demonized) economists who forecast an economic collapse every year from 1980 to 2000? Even Jeanne Dixon got a few right.

Comment Re:Did anybody read his paper? (Score 1) 1057

If you read through the entire article, you can find some interesting information on what it was he wanted us to do. Instead of regulating CO2 emissions, he states that it is more economical to reduce the amount of radiation from the sun that reaches the earth. I don't really understand his position. In effect, he's saying, "I don't believe in global warming. However, even if I did, there's no reason to regulate CO2 emissions."
He's against limiting CO2 because he doesn't believe it can work. Neither do I. Even Waxman-Markey proponents agree that it will have an insignificant effect on world temperatures.

He seems bent against regulation of CO2 at any cost.

That's semantically a bit over the top.

Secondly, he also states that global temperatures have fallen for the last 11 years. I really would like to see his work. This article (http://earthtrends.wri.org/updates/node/83), reported in the September 26 issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, shows global temperatures rising for the last 30 years.

As they have apparently risen and fallen for millenia, in 30 year cycles. Now they are falling again. The IPCC graphs that the EPA is basing their engangerment finding on? Not a single one of them shows a falling. As it has for the last 10 years since the El-Nino-influenced year of 1998. More importantly, they have also fallen since 2002.

This man strikes me as being very much against any type of environmental regulation, and I'm not surprised that the EPA is trying to silence him.
The EPA is not supposed to silence anyone. I am a bit shocked that you think
that silencing an opposing scientific viewpoint is OK. Of course that is the
constant tactic of many environmentalists....I suppose you might be one.

Comment Re:It's not going to happen (Score 1) 800

I would laugh at you too. $120.00 isn't enough for anything. It won't pay a consultant for one hour to perform the operations to move and transfer a domain.

As one who has been on the receiving end of many such offers, by virtue of being the reg contact on a *lot* of domains, many are just ridiculous. If your business isn't worth enough to spend $1,000 on a major asset like a domain name, then it isn't worth registering that one special domain for.

Perhaps you can find someone who just wants to be a nice guy. But probably not.

Comment Re:Complexity for Online Businesses (Score 2, Insightful) 784

+1 on that. Especially when you run into mob-connected bureaucratic nightmares like New York State, who literally don't give a crap about the problems they cause for others. Pay up, baby. Our way. We don't care about how complex it is -- comply with thousands of state and local tax regulations even if you are a small business.

The software route is no good because nothing is universal enough.

I could get behind a tax initiative if the states adopted a flat online sales tax rate for all items in all localities. No different tax rates by county or municipality. Just the base state rate.

Comment Re:Wrong Premise (Score 1) 1108

So who would you listen to? What would it take?

Anyone who can fully understand the greater part of the climatic system. That person might show up in a couple of centuries.

Oh, by the way -- why are the global warming people rebranding themselves as "climate change"? Is it, perhaps, because the globe isn't warming?

I couldn't find a simple answer for that but I'll give you my guess. The idea of warming is too simple. It sounds like every spot equally is going to get warmer by a few degrees. That's not the prediction.

Not a few years ago. The prediction was warming, and it was called global warming. It included sea level rise and the "smoking hot spot" 10km up in the atmosphere. Neither of those have occurred, nor has overall warming over the last decade. What predictions have come true? Just name a few.

Instead, some places will get drier (and get droughts) while other places will get wetter (and get floods). Some storms will probably become more violent (because storms are fueled by heat) and some of these storms may actually bring a lot of rain or snow making people feel colder. Lastly, there are some thoughts that climate change will switch off some important ocean currents which bring warm water to the likes of Britain and Northern Europe - which would make them a lot colder.

The term climate change is a nice catch-all to describe how the climate will change - and not simply become warmer.

If you could point to a large number of predictions that have come true without significant numbers that haven't come true, then it would mean something. Until then, you are blowing hot air.

(On a slightly more personal note, I'd suggest that your question indicates that you are not all that familiar with the predictions of climate change - which makes me think that you haven't researched the subject sufficiently to be able to rebut it well. This does not speak well for your position.)

Do mean on a slightly more ad-hominem note? 8-) Well, I will return the favor.

I am not a climate change expert. Neither is Al Gore. But I can read the words of the scientists that signed the Inhofe petition. And the proceedings of the American Institute for Economic Research conference on Global Warming.

Where's the beef? Whare is the hot spot in the atmosphere 10km above the tropics? Where is the overall global warming trend over the last decade? Where is the predicted sea level rise?

It is clear to me that anyone talking down from a mountaintop like you are, as if the science is settled, is not someone to listen to. There are plenty of reputable people of great stature, including William Gray and John Theon, who are not believers in AGW. Most of what I see from AGW proponents is appeals to authority and gobbledy-gook that tries to explain why the small percentage of CO2 that humans create is the most important percentage.

Comment Re:Wrong Premise (Score 1) 1108

I would suggest that people look at the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) [wikipedia.org]. This is a United Nations effort with a very large number of scientists involved. So many, from so many different countries, that I would suggest that the information represents consensus opinion and should be listened to very carefully.

And we all know how impartial and non-political the UN is, right?

To me the UN moniker on something is a guarantee that I will ignore it. Any body that can put Syria in the chairmanship of the Human Rights Commission is fundamentally flawed. As is their climate effort.

Oh, by the way -- why are the global warming people rebranding themselves as "climate change"? Is it, perhaps, because the globe isn't warming?

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