I like that sentiment. My most recent example is a senior programmers codes that was. if( HeavyDBCall() && LightFilteringCall() ) doThis(). A C++/C# programmer that was properly trained would laugh at that. While a VB programmer probably would have no clue. I modified that line to do the light filtering first, so the heavy db only ran when necessary. It left me wanting to ask where that senior programmer learned to code.