Good point; I would be interested in seeing those results.

You beat me to it, but as an atheist so long as you're not in my face, setting policy which affects me, or scaring my children, you can believe in a golden doorknob for all I care.

The evangelicals are highly offensive to anyone of a different religion, including atheists.

You seem to be well-balanced and tolerant. Many thanks for that.

Hey! You there! You can't bring logic into this conversation!

You're glazing over a lot, and using cloning to try and get around some real limitations. When the host has to run antivirus (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dd744830.aspx) you're losing resources than a non-Hyper-V solution. VMWare and RHEV are much better solutions for everyone except the hobbyist, with VMWare being the insanely expensive option.

Thanks for posting that. I needed the laugh. The ads on that site are hilarious too!

The first link says it wasn't the wrong fuel. The second link says they speculate it's diesel. WTF people, can't you read?

Catchy. Needs a good bass line.

And see we're right back where we started. I disagree that these punishments were sufficient for their crimes.

I am puzzled by your "calm down remark" however. Perhaps you misread. At any rate, we're not getting anywhere in this conversation.

Perhaps you missed the punks smirking on camera, or you missed the quote that they should've raped her because they were getting punished for it anyway. Or the regret that one had -- not for penetrating her digitally, or for trying to get her to give him oral sex when she was passed out -- but instead for filming it.

No regrets? Fine then, these kids deserve to be made into examples. For the betterment of our society.

And FWIW, here in Florida you can get put on a sex offenders list for public urination. The last time I checked with an offenders app, there were 75+ people in five miles -- including many within my community which requires a background check and approval to live here -- and I live in an upscale golf community. So no, while a pain, I don't think this is any big deal because they've watered down the definition enough that it seems lots of people have it. And obviously they are living their lives just fine.

Exactly. Our kids' futures are looking bleak if our society allows stuff like the rape to happen with little punishment, but goes balls deep on this guy who only got email addresses from a public API. No skill required.

But that girl will likely have to see these punks again and again and it's gonna be bad for her to deal with. They will be back, emboldened next time. And her friends that have seen this go down this way, they aren't going to bother reporting it next time.

I would trade all my good karma to substitute for them to have bad karma. Because we haven't punished them sufficiently, it lowers the threshold for future issues such as this.

On the other side, if you punish rape as severely as murder then they will just kill the girl afterward.

But this punishment? It's a travesty. One day it could be one of my daughters.

It should be criminal to charge that much for medicine. I pity the people who sell everything because they can't afford healthcare.

I'm sorry for your loss. And much appreciate your taking the time and effort to provide those helpful links.

The Thanksgiving through end of February period is rough for me also. Birthdays of estranged family, family holidays I now spend alone, etc. I hope you have a good relationship with others who can help you through it.