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Comment Moral beliefs are irrelevant (Score 1) 150

"If they are not discussing the relevant topic at hand (i.e., young children), then this is behavior they could engage in from any location, obviating the 'need' for a community dedicated to pedophiles."

Have you not considered the possibility that a marginalised group may not wish to associate with the majority who want them to be imprisoned/censored merely because of what they think?

"On the other hand, if they are discussing the topic at hand, this sort of site should be closed."

You still haven't explained how the website is "harmful" and you haven't rebutted the positive effects which a sense of community has for a marginalised group and those who members of the marginalised group may interact with. Your moral beliefs do not negate the importance of the welfare of children and the ethical treatment of paedophiles.

Comment Re:They blacklist sites without checking the reaso (Score 1) 150

"What the fuck? And you're surprised this crap is blacklisted?"

Maybe you could explain why you wish for a legal discussion forum for paedophiles to be censored. It is not a "how-to-molest-children" forum, it is not a place for exchanging illegal material, it is simply a place where people who are attracted to girls can discuss their feelings.

If someone is isolated from their community, has nowhere to turn for support and has nothing to lose, they are less likely to care about consequences (for themselves or others) than if they have a community. Your support of the censorship of places where paedophiles can form a community and receive emotional support is therefore rather thoughtless.

Most paedophiles do not commit offences against children, but oppression and hatred will only increase the probability of a person becoming dangerous.

Comment Re:They blacklist sites without checking the reaso (Score 3, Insightful) 150

"90% of the people in this country will tell you that www.annabelleigh.net crosses the line. I'm guessing over 50% will have a strong reaction against it and would prefer that Google make sure it doesn't come up in their search results."

It doesn't cross a legal line, so presumably you are referrring to a "moral" line. When you begin to moralise the internet, who can say where or when the resultant censorship will end?

"So, you can see it as Google repressing a very small portion of the population, or you can see it as Google's doing the rest of us a big favor."

Google is not doing a "big favor" for anyone. Censoring controversial material doesn't help readers; it simply makes them ignorant.

Comment Re:Put up or shut up. (Score 1) 287

"Tell us what sort of child pornography has been introduced in a successful felony prosecution in your home town, city or county."

The media, which is often the only source of information in individual cases, does not produce objective reports on child pornography cases. It reports that pictures showed children "as young as [the youngest age]" and that a person possessed "pictures showing [the most offensive type of image which he possesses]".

Some of your questions are extreme to the point of irrelevancy. There is no evidence of children ever being killed in order to produce pornography.

I cannot "provide a link to a local registry of sex offenders", as I am not American.

If you wish to research the nature of child pornography, try analysing academic journals rather than the mainstream/local media. The majority of academic research suggests that violence is rarely a feature of child pornography.

"How many of those convicted for possession or distribution of child pornography also show convictions for sexual assaults and misdemeanors? Other violent crimes?"

The only study which found a significant correlation between the use of child pornography and the commission of contact offences was withdrawn from publication or peer review, due to concerns over its applicability to the general population of child pornography offenders.

In short, claims that child pornography is mostly abusive and dangerous are not supported by the majority of academic sources investigating the nature of the material. The media's claims are motivated by potential newspaper sales (or adverts, in the case of broadcast media), the NCMEC and other organisations are motivated by a desire for repeat funding, while governments know that they can restrict the freedoms of the population (especially on the internet) by playing the child porn card.

I encourage you to read the list of quotes which I posted above, as they answer many of your questions.

Comment Re:Well, some really rich person (Score 1) 287

"Child porn is one thing, and that is reprehensible"

It is disturbing that someone can make such a bold statement about something which they have never seen. How can anyone form a conclusive opinion about child pornography when their only source of information is the mainstream media and government-sponsored advocacy organisations such as the NCMEC?

I and three other people have compiled a list of quotes about the nature of child pornography, here.

Security

Submission + - UK Claims Link Between Child Porn and Terrorism (timesonline.co.uk) 3

Brian Ribbon writes: "The Times reports claims made by government officials and security services, regarding an alleged correlation between the use of indecent images and terrorist activity. According to the article, "secret coded messages are being embedded into child pornographic images, and paedophile websites are being exploited as a secure way of passing information between terrorists" and "it is not clear whether the terrorists were more interested in the material for personal gratification or were drawn to child porn networks as a secure means of sending messages." The correlation is likely to be false; under UK law, nude photographs of all minors — including those who are over the age of consent — are illegal, so it's not surprising that many people (including terrorists) are found to have illegal material when their computers are searched. In reality, this story is probably just a poor attempt to justify the government's proposed big brother database."
Censorship

Submission + - Data Retention Activists Harassed by Authorities

AllYourDataAreBelongToUs writes: Activists who took part in a protest against EU data retention laws on October 11th were harassed by the Dutch authorities, allegedly due to ties with a pro-pedophile political party known as PNVD. According to the article, "the four members of the PNVD agreed to leave without causing a disturbance, however the police followed them to the station until the activists stepped onto the train". Is this the thin end of a wedge to silence concerns over data retention policies in the European Union?
Security

Submission + - UK Police Arrest Controversial Critics (theregister.co.uk)

Brian Ribbon writes: British Police have arrested two forensics experts for "conspiracy to possess indecent images of children", days before they were due to testify during a group action which aimed to expose serious Police failures in the handling of the controversial Operation Ore. According to The Register, the data seized during the recent raid included a clone of a hard drive which had been copied with permission from the Police, as well as other data which was relevant to the group action but is not believed to contain indecent images. One must ask questions about the motives behind the arrests.
Censorship

Submission + - UK Photographer Charged For Fairy Photos (yorkshirepost.co.uk)

Brian Ribbon writes: "A man in the United Kingdom has been convicted of taking indecent photographs of children after photographing underage girls dressed as fairies. The photographs were taken with the permission of both the children and the parents — the latter also being present at the photoshoot — however the images depicted the girls without their breasts covered, meaning that they fell under the definition of the lowest level of child pornography; "images depicting erotic posing [or nudity] with no sexual activity". The sentencing judge was unhappy about the conviction, stating "what is clear is that [the photographer] had no base motive, no sexual motive and there was not any question of deriving sexual gratification from what [he was] doing", and so handed out a community sentence rather than the recommended two years' custody. Could it be the case that laws against indecency are designed to prosecute deviants and not to protect the public?"
Censorship

Submission + - UK to Criminalise Virtual Child Pornography 1

Brian Ribbon writes: "The English Ministry of Justice has today announced that it will criminalise "all images of child sexual abuse, including drawings and computer-generated images". A spokeswoman for the Ministry of Justice justified the decision by claiming that "paedophiles could be circumventing the law by using computer technology to manipulate real photographs or videos of abuse into drawings or cartoons", however it is already illegal to do this or to possess any image derived from an indecent photograph of a child, under Section 69 of the 2008 Criminal Justice and Immigration Act. It is presently illegal to distribute any obscene publication, so the proposed new law will actually target only the possession of virtual child pornography for which no real child has ever been abused."
The Internet

Submission + - Internet "creates paedophiles"

Brian Ribbon writes: "In the latest sensationalist article about paedophiles on the internet, the director of a Spanish vigilante organisation has claimed that the internet "creates paedophiles". While conflating paedophilia with child sexual abuse, the "expert" quoted in the article incorrectly states that "studies show that some paedophiles feel attracted to children from an early age, but the majority of them develop the tendency later on"; he then claims that "the internet can become a catalyst for people belonging to the latter group"."
Privacy

Submission + - Bill Seeks Criminalisation of "Extreme" Ad

Brian Ribbon writes: "During the Queen's speech, it was today announced that the "Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill" intends to criminalise the mere possession of "extreme" or "violent" adult pornography. Many flawed and deceitful arguments (often used to justify the criminalisation of the possession of child porn) have been used, including claims that the possessor will somehow "harm" the victim every time the image is viewed, and the unproven belief that the possessor will be "corrupted" by the images and will then act out his fantasies. The "evidence" (pdf) used to justify this aim of the bill came from a study solicited by the Ministry of Justice, conducted by feminist activists. Will the British government ever cease to use pseudo-science in order to invade the private lives of its citizens?"
Censorship

Submission + - EU Demands Europe-wide Censorship of Underage Porn 2

Brian Ribbon writes: "Radio Netherlands is reporting that the EU is planning to force all of its members to criminalise the viewing of child pornography on the internet. While many people will consider this to be a necessary measure to protect the children, it fails to consider the fact that the downloading of material — without payment — does not encourage those who produce such material, rather it simply offends the public. The production of child pornography is currently the only crime which can't be observed; even watching a video of a murder is legal, yet the EU are demanding even stricter forms of censorship of sexual material. Is such censorship justified, or is it a symptom of a moral panic?"

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