Obama is a hopeless wimp and a god-awful "negotiator," and we've no more reason to suppose China will live up to bargains with him than Russia or Iran will. They are laughing their asses off at this putz. Spare us the bewildered tone of surprise, this is exactly what we all wanted when we elected this idiot.

Democrats just looooooove Obama when he's making up new laws and forcing them down people's throats, but this is the kind of shit that sort of government attitude leads to. "We get to do whatever we want because we're the Government - and you are not." He's created a culture of secrecy and stonewalling unprecedented in American government, he got away with it thanks to Democrats and the compliant media - and now you're surprised the government thinks it can do whatever it can get away with and lie about?

Obama created this bed but we've all got to lie in it.

When will we learn that governments cannot be allowed to conspire about anything in secret? You let the government do anything out of public sight and they will fuck the living hell out of voters in order to make every special-interest group ecstatic and fill their campaign coffers.

...to see how much progress the cost-effectiveness of alternate power can make when it is national policy to drive the costs of fossil fuel into the stratosphere with every anti-free-market, crony-capitalist-greasing trick in the political book.

...something else that will need to be made illegal posthaste lest it upset the existing package-delivery services unused to the idea of gasp! - competition... I give it a year before the crap begins to fly and governments and business demand shutting it down.

> "Racial bias has to be operating, inequities are rampant. Discrimination does exist whether intentional or unintentional,"

Asserting doesn't make it so. If she had proof she wouldn't have needed the mealy-mouth phrase "has to be operating".

> she told the school board in May of this year. Ford found that both Hispanic and black students are underrepresented in gifted programs
> She also found that about half the seats in those programs go to higher-income students, even though the majority of the district is poor.

Because a program truly oriented toward "gifted" children should be color-blind, and because white and/or higher-income households have a greater emphasis on school and success, especially compared with blacks and latinos, who are, by policy in most schools, advanced far beyond their competence by the myth that all outcomes must be equal, even when they aren't. What will happen is this program will be gutted, the money diverted in the name of "fairness", the gifted children will continue to be bored out of their minds at school, the blacks and latinos will still be told the system is rigged against them, and most of the diverted money will be donated to Democrats, 'cause, that's the way these things work..

How many times do we have to see this movie?

Tell me, people, when was the last time a white neighborhood erupted in violence, attacking and robbing local, white-owned businesses, because some black cop gunned down an unarmed white kid? The shootings happen, why not the violence? Why not the outrage? Why aren't Democrats defending the poor, downtrodden, white people being systematically murdered by "da man?"

To take just the first few results from Google:
http://mrconservative.com/2014...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/06/...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
http://www.westernjournalism.c...

Give me a break. In the same time frame there were articles and scares about the coming ice age that were every bit as credible. If we had listened to them with the same attitude we would now we'd have government-required carbon dioxide emitters by the thousands across the entire country, and we'd have spent hundreds of billions to do it - and the evidence of warming would be touted as evidence that "government works." You know what the right thing to do most of the time is? NOTHING! The vast majority of the time the right solution to any problem you care to name is "ignore it" because it will either solve itself or prove it was never a problem in the first place. Not every damn activist venting his spleen is a legitimate call to mobilize the entire world to spend trillions. The money wasted is real, it has to be paid back and it will be sooner or later, one way or another. And nor is money the only cost to reacting like this all the time, it is also costing our freedom, huge chunks of it at a time now. Christ, will everyone just take a damn Prozac and shut up for a while?!

If you can't produce the evidence you have to shut up the people who want to see it. That's the Democratic SOP. They are no longer capable of even attempting a rational argument, all they want to do it drown them out, shut them off, close them down, do whatever they have to do to "win" - whether they are right or not is something they never think about, or care about.

The evidence FOR warming has been years in the custody of true believers, most of whom have been caught fudging the data, all of whom have other agendas besides saving the planet from heat - these range from destroying capitalism, as the UN has admitted is its real target for GW alarmism, to just plain power and favors, like Obama doling out money to his backers, who then shutter their bogus solar power companies, take the money, and run - and they don't have to run far because Obama never allows them to be followed.

I'm tired of it. I'm tired of all the lying, I'm tired of the endless invective, the endless, aggressive pushing of "solutions" that will eat up trillions of dollars but which will budge the thermometer literally only HUNDRETHS of a degree IF THE GLOBAL WARMERS ARE RIGHT. Never mind the net effect if they aren't.

You want to find the culprit you follow the money, and the money is huge, it is vast, it is not being monitored and it's being spent like they can print it for free on paper. Which is just what they are doing. It's a shell game, played by liars, to rob the suckers - which is you, folks. All you. Oh, me, too. Maybe I should become a bundler for some socialist moron and get myself on the gravy train, too. Then I could join the choir and shout "the global warming is coming!" knowing the money we milk out of the idiot voters will end up in MY accounts.

But then I couldn't sleep at night. And I wonder how Democrats manage to do so, and do so in spite of the fact they apparently also sleep right through the daytime, too...

IF GOD HAD NOT MEANT VOTERS TO BE SHEARED HE WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THEM SHEEP. Calvera said something like that to Chris in the "Magnificent 7" and you know what? He was right. It didn't make him a nicer person.

...we are certainly proof of THAT.

To make things just a little clearer, Libertarians do believe in a strong central government. Where they disagree with Democrats and Republicans is their fixed notion that government only has three jobs it is supposed to do: 1) Provide for the common defense, 2) Protect Individuals Rights from trespass and 3) Enforce contracts. These are the only reasons why anyone is morally permitted to initiate force against another person. Beyond that, we have endless cultural mechanisms to deal with every other problem. Libertarians simply do not want to see the government out of its' pen, let alone seeing it setting up FEMA barbed-wire prison camps for the day the government announces that, "really, the Constitution is shit and We can do whatever We want to to your asses."

> "using the trick" is hardly a damning phrase,

Actually, it is. It indicates they themselves were aware of their intent to falsify. People who have real data that proves their point don't need "tricks".

> In the meantime, we have a nearly universal consensus among smart people who have really studied the issue, and who generally would rather avoid politics, that AGW is going on

What we have is a universal consensus that global warming provides an excuse for centralizing control, limiting freedom, and re-allocating resources according to liberal agendas. Of that, there is a certainty. The rest of the data - genuinely studied by "smart people" - show that Earth may be in a warming trend, that that warming trend has been grossly exaggerated for political reasons, and that modelling climate is a) extremely complex, and b) entirely inaccurate up until now - as even the "hockey stick graph" man himself, Michael Mann, now freely admits. http://www.technologyreview.co...

> Conservatives lie.

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
"If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance"
"Every family will save $2500 a year minimum"
"healthcare.gov is ready"
"there wasn't a smidgeon of evidence of the IRS targeting conservatives"
"I take the 5th" - Lois Lerner on IRS bashing conservatives
"I take the 5th" various people connected with Solyndra
"I take the 5th" Bryan Pagliano Clinton's former IT staffer who handled her private email system
"Lack of transparency is a huge advantage" Jonathon Gruber, http://www.sandiegouniontribun...
The lying and stonewalling from Obama and his crooked organization has been proven over and over, demonstrated over and over, is on-going, shameless, and reason enough to doubt what he claims to be true. He hasn't made one single right decision since his first election. Now we can add refusal to reveal secret side-agreements with Iran to his list of chicaneries.

> If you had actually made an intellectual journey like you describe, you'd be able to show me some actual evidence other than misunderstood correspondence

Who the fuck are you to to be able to sit on your high throne and judge what kind of a journey I have taken or not? You think YOU are one of those liberal "elites" that you can take a dozen words in a random context and then pontificate so wisely about an entire life? You don't know shit about my life, and you are entirely too smug in your bubble, so much so you obviously don't deign to even pretend to try to see opposing points of view. Thanks so much for that, 'Mr. Tolerance and Diversity'..

The "global warming deniers" are products of the fevered and wild imaginations of paranoid liberals. What they truly are are people who think socialism has never worked and that the available evidence of warming, human-caused or not, is a shoddy excuse to try that idiocy again.

The IPCC had internal emails seized and circulated by hackers proving they were "using the trick" (THEIR OWN WORDS) of adding arbitrary figures to global warming data. This was proven. The UN was challenged to respond to this, "investigated", and announced there was no problem and left the same people in charge. Google for those emails, the proof is simple enough even for a liberal drowning in groupthink to understand. The UN has even admitted the entire "global warming thing" is a trojan horse for eliminating capitalism, and that, too, is easily googlable.

IF there was ANY scientific validity to ANYTHING the UN has said about global warming, its' credibility is now destroyed beyond any salvage, it's just that simple.

The SCIENTIFIC DATA that was NOT doctored by the UN - such as Nasa's - show that "warming" ended over twenty years ago, thereby proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that we don't know SQUAT about global warming OR whether it is human-caused. What we CAN prove is that impoverishing the world in the name of "combating" global warming (and capitalism) will do no one any good but the would-be dictators already benefiting from your gullibility. Far better would be bringing the proven benefits of liberty and capitalism to the poor of the world being kept that way for political reasons.

Data held by True Believers and People With Agendas simply cannot be trusted. The UN (and NOAA) show this clearly, NASA's, by and large, still has SOME credibility, though I doubt it will by the time Obama is done politicizing it.

Facts REMAIN facts even when they don't support your agenda. Liberals lie. I understand how hard this is to internalize and deal with, I made that journey myself and it hurt like hell, but I'd rather the brutal truth instead of the comforting lie.

...I would suggest we make electing human beings to public office illegal.

...is never having to prove anything you say. You just keep repeating the same accusation, and that's all the proof you need. Never mind that the UN's IPCC were caught doctoring their data. Never mind that they were "exonerated" and left in charge in spite of doctoring their data, global warming is forever.

On a more pragmatic note, assuming this lunacy is legit, it raises the national debt to $22.5 trillion dollars - and will neatly top off Obama's presidency with a nice, round $24 trillion dollars.

The sum total of every dollar in existence, printed or electronic, representing wealth or fraud, every single one, rich and poor, all the dollar-based money there is, can't pay even half that. So why even bother to talk about it? If people really expected it to be repaid, they blew that chance by electing Obama. Now, it's just 'well, you lose, sucker.'

...that's why The Big Lie technique is so effective. Repeat it over and over and over and drown out any nay-sayers or conflicting data and stay on message and you will carry the day. It worked for Hitler and it works for climate change. Of course, when we are shivering in the dark in our little American 3rd world ghetto looking at our Chinese and Russian Lords and Masters who put out more CO2 PER DAY than we have been able to stop in a decade of shutting down our economy, we might question the final price tag. Or YOU will. I'll be dead when the REALLY bad consequences hit...