Their choice is to become Muslims (join the evil crew; which is evil), submit as dhimmis ...
If they don't do these things then they are liable to be killed. How is that not evil?
First verse 9:5 is specific to one group of treaty breakers, not everyone as specified in 9:4 "Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. ..."
The following verse 9:6 says "If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. ..." In other words, don't hurt the guy, preach to him and then let him go.
I expect you've got your twisted reasons for saying the verses before and after 9:5 don't count. So I've got more:
- 2:256 "There is no compulsion in religion"
--That's pretty straight-forward.
- 18:29 "so let whosoever will believe, and let whosoever will disbelieve"
-- Looks like even atheists are welcome.
- 6:108 "Do not revile those unto whom they pray beside God, lest they wrongfully revile God through ignorance"
-- Basically the golden rule for religion - treat others religions as you would your own religion. Hardly a recipe for religious subjugation.
- 60:8 "God does not forbid you to be kind to those who do not take arms against you. God loves those who are just"
-- Also pretty straight-forward. If people aren't attacking you, you should not attack them.
An non-abrograted commandment to kill all Muslims even if they are not a threat to believers. This is evil.
Abrogation - that's a new one since I last ran into your brethren. If you can't dispute the text, pretend it doesn't count. Looks like that AC had you pegged on that one. But, unsurprisingly even that newest form of delusion doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
My understanding of Sura 9 is the same as Osama bin Laden's and Quradhawi's and Qtub's and Al Azhar's. We agree it all means the same thing and abrogates the other verses.
You've listed Yusuf Al-Quradhawi and the al-Azhar University as sources of proof that verse 9:5 is the real deal that over-rides everything else, that all of the other verses about freedom of religion don't count. Al-Qaradawi is a pretty popular islamic theologian, he even has a show on al jazeera, kinda like glenn beck had a show on fox. While al-Azhar University in Egypt is arguably the "chief centre of Arabic literature and Islamic learning in the world." So when those two say something it must be true, right? They are your go to guys in this argument.
So, here's what al-Qaradawi actually has to say about 9:5:
- "...aggression on Muslims and not disbelief is the basis for Muslim warfare... There is disagreement on the so-called Sayf aya (the verse of the sword). Some claimed that it abrogated 200 verses of the Quran among which are the forgiveness and tolerance. But there are those who say that the Sword verse itself is abrogated."
Who is an authority on Islam Robert Spencer or Al Qaradawi?
And here is the official position of al-Azhar University on the freedom of religion. Not just one or two professors who might be cranks, this statement has the full force and standing of the authority of al-Azhar itself.
- Freedom of belief and the right connected to it of full citizenship (muwatana) for everyone, based [in turn] on absolute equality in rights and duties, is considered the cornerstone of the modern social order. This freedom is guaranteed by diriment and ever valid religious texts and by explicit constitutional and juridical principles. The Omnipotent in fact says, be He exalted and magnified: 'No compulsion is there in religion. Rectitude has become clear from error' (2:256); 'so let whosoever will believe, and let whosoever will disbelieve' (18:29). It follows that any form of compulsion in religion, persecution or discrimination in its name, is condemned as a crime. Each individual in society has the right to embrace the ideas he prefers, provided it does not harm the right of the society to preserve the heavenly faiths. In fact, the three divine religions have their own holy character (qadasa). Individuals are free to practise their own rites without offending the sensibility of others, violating the sacredness (hurma) of the three religions in word or in facts, and without making an attempt on public order.
Since the Arab fatherland is the cradle of the heavenly Revelation and the protector of the divine religions, it is particularly committed to safeguarding their holy character, to respecting their rites and to protecting the rights of their faithful, in freedom, dignity and brotherhood. From the right to religious freedom derives the recognition of the legitimacy of pluralism (taâaddud), the protection of the right to difference as well as to each citizen's duty to respect the sensibility of others and their equality, on the solid basis of citizenship, participation and equal opportunities in rights and duties.
Declaration by al-Azhar and the intellectuals on the legal ordinances of fundamental freedoms
Even the christian churches in Egypt endorsed Al-Azhar's statement:
So, not only does your guy Al-Qaradawi disagree with your claims about 9:5's command for compulsion in religion, he thinks there is a pretty good chance that 9:5 is abrogated itself. Then al-Azhar University totally yanks the rug out from under you by specifically declaring that freedom of religion is the right of all citizens.
That about wraps it up. I look forward to your silence.