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Comment Re:Shouldn't Apples count? (Score 1) 487

Thanks for the explanation about deduplication. Not as cool as I had hoped, but suppose real life is often that way

As for hardlinks, I was thinking specifically about backups, which are managed by a backup system. I never write to files in the backup (that would not make sense), so that is a non-issue, and that makes the system very, very simple and very effective. In the general case, deduplication is of course easier, but as I get from you, seldom worth the effort. With modern disk drives being so big, size tends to take 2nd place to speed or reliability in most cases.

Comment Re:Shouldn't Apples count? (Score 1) 487

Sure, but several file systems have drawbacks too. I'd prefer file systems that let me specify such features at the directory level instead.

Breaking chroot for non-root users are not exactly trivial, though I don't personally use chroot for that.. .I use it (as the GP suggested) for scratch areas, especially for building and testing applications under different environments.

Comment Re:Shouldn't Apples count? (Score 1) 487

I seem to have touched a nerve :)

You will always hear more complaints from Linux users. That is a price for having easy installers. But aside from unsupported hardware, I haven't had a problem with sound since the debacle around pulseaudio (which got enabled a bit prematurely imho. But works fine now.)

As for running root as chroot: That is not a usecase I saw, nor one I have ever missed. From wikipedia jails falls in somewhere between a virtualized server and a chroot. *shrug* Certainly not a game changer, and a short google search reveals some linux alternatives.

The reason I prefer to not have multiple filesystem is so that my backups can use hardlinks, I can move files between say /tmp and my /home without actually moving the data, and so that I don't have to bother thinking about it. I cannot get that today, because there is no way to encrypt part of a file system (or deduplicate etc, though I just use hardlinks for that. Easier to understand, less error-prone.) Creating a new filesystem takes me about a minute: I waste a lot more time (order of magnitudes) waiting for just moves between filessystems (even if I only use 2) than I ever did for creating filesystems. Sure, it is cool, and I think it is fun doing it with btrfs, but it's not really very useful.

As for btrfs... I use it for snapshots. Why? Because I can. LVM would likely serve me just as well, but I like to play with new things. The data being snapshots, I don't care how stable it is, but it seems to work :) The remaining feature ZFS has are not compelling enough for me to bother installing even a test of it (with fuser, I think it is on linux).

P.S: Why don't you deduplicate everything? That sounds like there is a significant downside?

Comment Re:Shouldn't Apples count? (Score 1) 487

A few points:

The locking of /dev/dsp is mostly ancient history at this point, even on Linux, where sound (finally) got the attention it needs. And now it actually handles multiple sounds cards (moving the sound around and stuff like that), which is nice if you are using an usb-headset and speakers, depending on the situation.

I use schroot for the usecase you use ezjail for, and from your short note it looks mostly equivalent. I tend to use either a btrfs or lvm backend.

As for creating new filesystems, I find that mostly a bother; what I want is just one filesystem to handle it all. Currently, I find I need 2 to handle my needs, which is annoying (one encrypted, one not). Snapshots are useful though (and supported by LVM and btrfs).

Comment Re:What I can't understand... (Score 1) 535

It's because we are measuring a very tiny part of a large system. E.g, we are not measuring the temperature of the oceans (a bit, but not a lot). The heat contents of the oceans are pretty massive, so there is some potential for heat to move around and mess with the data. That is why it is usually 30-year means that are used.

Also note that 12-years is cherry-picking: 1998 was an exceptionally hot year, and not a good basis to gauge other years against. Check out the graph, if you please --- no one could call 1998 a representative year.

Comment Re:Economic theory (Score 1) 904

Amazing how far selective quotations can get you, isn't it? You left out the sentence that immediately followed - that wasn't an accident.

I asked you to point out which of 1-7 was false, and you pointed to 4. I didn't leave off anything relevant on purpose, trust me, I read it several times not believe anyone could claim something that outrageous.

(4) is not false - and I have not claimed it is. It is simply too weak to support the claim that you wanted to support, which is that a certain event necessarily leads to inflation.

another straw man. I have only said it increased inflation (or decreased deflation). Why do you find it necessary to create these straw men?

I have tried to make it increasingly obvious in the last few posts that my position is that it may or may not lead to inflation, and can in fact also lead to better real economic outcomes (via growth and increased employment) - it depends on the circumstances.

Because the straw men annoy. The above is an empty statement... P=>(Q or not Q). If you mean that the set of condition where an increase of the supply of money increase the economy is non-empty, why don't you give an example?

Perhaps you're taking things too personal. Who knows. So I'm going to just disengage from the discussion now, no matter what you write next (if anything). That's probably better for both our sanity.

Try to leave off the straw men :)

Comment Re:Economic theory (Score 1) 904

You are continuing your straw man arguments, and I have had enough of that. Not once have you actually answered the point I made, (...)

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Where the hell did you even get the idea that I claim that "increased demand does not increase prices, everything else being equal" (*)?

Well, let me quote then.

4. Increased demand tends to increase prices.

This is the weak link of your argument.

I.e, (4) is false.

Comment Re:Economic theory (Score 1) 904

The stuff you quote was irrelevant. You are continuing your straw man arguments, and I have had enough of that. Not once have you actually answered the point I made, but instead kept talking about your fantasy economy theory, arguing against or for various theories I did not state. This is exactly the same that happens if you try to debate climate denialists. or evolution denialists. And frankly, I don't care for that style.

Anyways, as I wrote, if you do not recognize basic economic theory (increased demand raises prices, e.g), then of course you will end up supporting some wacko fringe theory.

Comment Re:Economic theory (Score 1) 904

Of course the price as measured in goods doesn't change because you change the amount of money available: That is why it is inflation rather than an increase in the value of the goods.

I don't understand what you're trying to say there.

In the following, you butchered my reply in a way that allows you to miss the point, so I rearranged things a bit.

Let it, it is not important. And sorry for any butchering, I have tried to keep your quotes as intact, but this system isn't exactly conductive to this.

The "money supply" is a stock. It is something like the sum of all deposits, depending on the definition. How could that possibly affect inflation directly?

Who cares if it affected "directly", whatever that means. You are changing the question, which is : "Will increased money supply increase inflation (or decrease deflation, if you like)" Again, you are arguing a strawman.

Ah, argument from personal incredulity.. (...)

Perhaps my rearranging of the quotes and the added emphasis already helps you to see my point, but let me reiterate in a different way just to be sure.

Think of the price-setting process of an individual supermarket (or other firm) as an algorithm. It has inputs (such as the cost of production, the effective demand seen by the firm, profit motive, behavior of competition, whatever), and it has an output (the price that is ultimately set). My point was that the stock of money is not one of those inputs.

Says who? It is a pretty common practice to simply adjust all prices to account for inflation. Not a perfect method, to be sure, but easy and simple.

However, at least one of those inputs is a flow of money, i.e. the effective demand that has been seen previously.

Says who, and even if true, so what?

You have not argued against that, just continued to claim some causality from an increase of stocks to an increase of flows as I predicted.

Not only claim, but supported the claim; a support which you ignore. But since you are arguing a strawman (the "directly") part, it is hard to get to the truth of the matter. Let me put it in bullet form, then you can tell me where I am wrong. 1. If the sum of deposits (ie., the money supply) increases, there must be some entities who has more money than before. 2. Entities with more money tends to either use or invest money. Let's discount the investment, as that just moves the money to someone else. 3. When some entities use more money, demand increases. 4. Increased demand tends to increase prices. 5. Increased prices leads to increased profitability for the sellers of said goods. 6. Increased profitability leads to more entities with more money. Repeat from 2, and you can easily see how this leads to increased prices across the board, AKA increased inflation. Or tell me which of 1..7 (7 being the repeat) that you think is wrong.

I've cut out the majority of the rest, because I think the really important point is the following (and yes, I'm also a mathematician - but it's kind of lame of you to bring that up, considering that you really only need high-school arithmetic for these things; I on the other hand apologize for exaggerating about V, I got carried away).

I am shocked that you claim to be a mathematician and makes such a fatal, obvious error in a logical argument. Well, at least you are conceding (as you like to put it) that you were flat out wrong.

No it does not. For instance, assume that M=V=P=Q=1. That us assume that M is increased to 2, then the equation would still be satisfied by V=P=Q=2. Note how nothing is constant with that solution.

Hey! Seems like you're conceding that the economy can quantity-adjust. I think we're getting somewhere :)

No, I was correcting your grave error that satisfying that equation required some of the factors to be constant. That equation is not the real world.

Remember that this part of the discussion was started because of your claim that "$X will just devaluate the currency". Well, turns out that apparently you agree that "$X can also grow the real size of the economy"

I am tired of your straw men. I never wrote that. Please quote me correctly, or not at all.

(perhaps, I think we still haven't really settled on what you mean by X). Once you have realized that, one can obviously start discussions about whether the economy tends to adjust more by increasing production or whether it adjusts more by raising prices.

Again, you are putting up straw men. It is you who are in love with that equation, not I. I wish you would at least decide whether you think it holds or not. I have never claimed it tells everything about economics, the way you treat it... in fact, I never mentioned it. That equation seems to be a balance equation. What it tells you is that if one quantity in the equation is increased, some of the other quantities (and possibly all) must also change (eventually, eventually, I guess). It doesn't tell you anything about which quantities will change for certain actions. For that, you need another "law".

There are two problems with your argumentation here. First of all, you are making a logical mistake yourself by assuming that I meant "the government attempts to sell more bonds" when I really meant "the government sells more bonds".

You cannot be a mathematician. You don't even know what logic is, do you? Anyway, if you having governments doing impossible things, why not have them magic up some gold and sell that? It would be simpler. Or pixie dust, if you prefer. You cannot just define someone to be able to sell, you have to find a buyer.

Comment Economic theory (Score 1) 904

I know. Who knows, two years ago I might have reacted in the same way that you do. Telling apart the fringe theories that have merit from those that don't is a difficult problem. I appreciate you checking out the Wikipedia Criticism section. You'll note that the points mentioned there have been addressed by MMT academics. I'm really not trying to sound paternalistic or something, but try putting yourself in my shoes. What if MMT really had some merits? What could possibly convince you?

Posting convincing answers in that section would be one thing; convincing a significant number of the experts in the field would be another.

No, it doesn't, at least not in the way that you think. Here's why: in regular goods markets, both demand and supply are essentially flows. Producers produce a certain amount of goods per time unit, whence the supply. Consumers demand a certain amount of good per time unit, whence the demand - both can be functions of price or whatever, but the point about flows is important. Prices change on the margin.

Of course the price as measured in goods doesn't change because you change the amount of money available: That is why it is inflation rather than an increase in the value of the goods.

The "money supply" is a stock. It is something like the sum of all deposits, depending on the definition. How could that possibly affect inflation directly? Inflation is a measure of average price increases, so e.g. increase of prices set by supermarket bureaucrats.

Ah, argument from personal incredulity.. Anyway, here it is how it works: If the total amount of deposits increase, some people would have more money. Those someone would then use those more money to buy more goods. This will increase demand, thus increasing prices. As those who sell the goods now also have more money, this effect will propagate until we reach a new equilibrium (in theory anyway). At this point, everyone will be paying more for all goods, in effect making the money worth less.

But the people who make decisions about how to set prices in supermarkets only see the flow of customer demand. They do not see the size of the stock of money. So how can their decision possibly depend on the latter?

That is nonsense. They don't really care about demand, at least directly. They want to set the price exactly where they earn the most. And people who have more money (nominally) can pay more, which is the case if the stock increases. So they will increase the price (possibly with some delay due to competition; supermarket price-setters are not exactly first movers in this game).

You could argue that there is some relationship between the stock of money and the flows of money, i.e. that increasing the stock of money will also increase the flow of money. In terms of Quantity Theory of Money, this is the claim that V (the "velocity" of money) is constant.

That is mathematically false. You cannot conclude that V is constant from "there is some relationship between stock and flow". (Trust me on this, I am actually a mathematician). Since the rest of the argument rests on this falsehood, I have deleted it :)

Which interest rate, exactly? And once you tell me this, could you outline why the (market) interest rate would increase?

The interbank interest rate is most directly affected. When the government issues more bonds than it deficit spends, this means that the total amount of reserves held by banks shrinks.

Assuming that (private) buyers can be found. This would require that the effective interest on those bonds are greater than the interest rate that banks can offer, otherwise the private buyers would deposit their money in the banks instead. This effect happens whether the state actually spends the money, so the rest of the argument is rather moot from this point on. (Again, I have deleted from the first logical flaw).

Yes. It tells me that the Greek government is not a monetary sovereign government. But that's about it.

Yes, and what does that take away from the government? The ability to *deflated the currency*, which would enable them to pay back their bonds by printing more money. See how it works?

You conveniently ignore the part where I wrote that inflation can also be different actors in the economy fighting for shares of real income by raising their prices.

Also, your mention of the 1970s makes it likely that there was imported inflation via rising energy prices. I don't know what country you're talking about, so that's just an educated guess.

Well, I overlooked that part. That part is exactly what I wrote about somewhere above in other words. This is how an increased supply of money (or stock as you like to call it) increases prices/inflation. I cannot disagree with that. And no, it was well after the oil crisis (though that started it), it was caused by the government devaluing the currency repeatedly. It was Denmark, if you care.

And there is your strawman. Nowhere has I assumed the size of the real economy is constant.. on the contrary, I claim the wealth of the world is increasing, and has been increase for a long time. Nor does anything I have said depend on a constant size of the economy. From skimming the theory you mention on Wikipedia, i cannot see anything in that that assumes any of the terms are constant --- au contraire, the Q is called an "index" which usually means it is a function of time.

I'm sorry, but you are simply contradicting yourself here. Earlier you write something like "$X causes inflation", and since you have yet to really spell out what your X is, I assume you mean X = "increase of the money supply, i.e. M in the equation MV = PQ". If this assumption is wrong, I gladly stand corrected and we can discuss what you really mean. But given the assumption, the claim that "increase of M implies increase of P" denies the possibility that the adjustment in the equation happens via a change in V or Q.

No it does not. For instance, assume that M=V=P=Q=1. That us assume that M is increased to 2, then the equation would still be satisfied by V=P=Q=2. Note how nothing is constant with that solution.

Another note: You have always been talking about a causality from M to P. How do you know there isn't actually a causality from P to M?

After all, when the price level rises, businesses and people both apply for, and can justify, larger loans. That in turn increases the money supply M1 (remember that M1 is essentially sum of deposits, and an increase in the volume of loans implies an increase in the volume of deposits). Just more food for thought...

This is quite possible, and probably happens all the time.

I know this is hard to stomach, but the fact that the central bank will always lend to banks that have their balance sheet in order according to capital regulations is not a contested claim in economics. In fact, this "lender of last resort" purpose was historically a big reason for why central banks were created in the first place. Yes, you can read about it on Wikipedia.

The motivation for that setup is to draw a clearer distinction between insolvency and illiquidity. For non-financial firms, those two are usually quite closely related, but financial firms can easily become illiquid even while being solvent, because solvency of financial firms is very hard to judge for market participants - in the end, that's what bank runs are all about. So the original idea was that regulators make sure banks stay solvent, and then supply all the liquidity that may be needed. Of course, this theory is kind of subverted by regulatory capture, but that's a different topic.

Except the over-simplification "having their balance sheet in order", that is exactly how I understand it works. It doesn't contradict anything I said. But if you think banks can *always* use the central bank as an owner of last resort, even if they have no deposits at all, you would have a hard to explaining why banks crash at all.

Most importantly, they can always borrow from the Fed, and this view also applies to the entire banking system as a whole.

If this was true, no bank would ever crash (but the state would, eventually). I have tried to find the exact requirement, but other than the bank has to be "systemic", I haven't found anything. In this country, it works like this: every so often, a bank is inspected. If it does not satisfy the requirements, it will have a period to raise the extra money. If it fails, it will be absorbed a state-owned institution, which attempts to sell off what it can to other parties and wind off the rest.

I sincerely doubt they can always borrow from the Fed without some pretty stiff penalties, prices and/or sacrifices.

They have to pay the discount window interest rate which is higher than the usual interbank interest rate. Whether you consider that "pretty stiff" is up to you, the setting of those interest rates is public data, you can take a look for yourself.

They probably also have to satisfy some criterias. Anyway, so they are paying a penalty, which other banks are not. Everything else being equal, that would make that bank unable to compete, and kill it off as per normal market forces.

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