They aren't non-standard either. 3.5mm contact with 4 contacts on it and buttons on the lead have been around for ages, I have no idea who started them or how interoperable they are. I had a pair that came with my Nokia N95, play, stop, forward, reverse, volume, on a standard sized 3.5 mm plug with one extra contact. That actually terminated in the remote which had a socket for any normal 3.5 mm three contact headphones, so you could use your nice sennheisers with the phone instead of the shitty nokia buds.

So has anyone tried the Apple ones with other equipment like phones that support remotes on 3.5mm jacks? I know for a fact Etymotics have a pair of headphones with remote and mic on a 3.5 mm contact.

No, the biggest thing that Barack Obama will change in his first 100 days is our attitude, and the world's, toward our own president, and toward the American people's ability to choose a leader.

No offence, but if I see a guy shit in his hand and then eat the shit, and then shit in his hand again and eat it again, It would take more than seeing him eat a sandwich to make me forget that he likes to eat shit.

Clarification for me please?

I haven't gotten any of the new generation consoles (except a wii). I was thinking of a PS3 over a 360 because friends with 360s said they were a headache to own. Lots of failures, very noisy and occasionally even scratching disks.

Why would a PS3 be less useful than a 360 if all the games are the same and the hardware is better?