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Comment Re:Swedes try product because of marketing (Score 1) 350

If that's not what you were talking about, then WTF IS the alternative to "forcing a man into parenthood" once he's made the decision to get a woman pregnant?

Are you seriously making the argument that a decision to have sex means that society can blithely tell a person "Sorry - you should have thought of that before having sex"?

Once again, gender is immaterial - if you're willing to say that people who have sex should stand by their decision to risk pregnancy then you're going to annoy a large number of people.

The only way your argument can work is if you bring gender into it - try making whatever argument you think you're making without referring to the gender of the parent-to-be.

The minute you toss out gender considerations the arguments for/against forced parenthood fall apart.

Comment Re:Swedes try product because of marketing (Score 1) 350

gender is a social construct after all and the argument for one way or the other doesn't have a logical ending

If you want to make it legal for men to have abortions, I won't stand in your way. They should also have the option to exercise birth control. I got snipped after kid #2.

Do you believe that a man should be able to force a woman to have an abortion because he regrets his choice?

Why would I believe such a thing?

That's the only way I could think of to prevent "forcing a man into parenthood" after he's knocked a woman up. If that's not what you were talking about, then WTF IS the alternative to "forcing a man into parenthood" once he's made the decision to get a woman pregnant?

Comment Re:Swedes try product because of marketing (Score 1) 350

Do you believe that people should be forced into parenthood even if they do not want to be a parent?

Of course not.

Yet that IS what we do. All the rationalisation in the world doesn't change that fact. Take away the labels of "men" and "women" - gender is a social construct after all and the argument for one way or the other doesn't have a logical ending.

The only way the current argument for/against forced parenthood works is when we attach emotional value to one argument over the other.

In current society we argue both for and against forced parenthood, depending on who the social construct we are arguing is.

Do you believe that a man should be able to force a woman to have an abortion because he regrets his choice?

Why would I believe such a thing? If a person stands up and says "I don't want to be a parent of this 30-day old fetus", do we say "Okay, your are discharged from all parental obligations" or do we say "Sorry - you should have thought of that before having sex".

The gender of the person is immaterial.

Comment Re:Swedes try product because of marketing (Score 1) 350

I'm actually not arguing any of that, I'm genuinely curious about the answer to the following question:

Should people be forced into parenthood against their consent?

There is no "It depends" with this sort of question - either you feel it is morally wrong to force people into parenthood against their wishes or you feel it is morally right to force people into parenthood against their wishes

Choosing the answer of "it depends on who the person is" implies an internally inconsistent set of morals and a high degree of either hypocrisy or cognitive dissonance.

Comment Re:Swedes try product because of marketing (Score 1) 350

please don't snip the context out

Again? I'm not quoting your entire post because that would be fucking stupid. Are you worried about slashdotters skipping your post, going straight to my response, and getting confused? Nobody's confused about context. You're doing a fine job of repeating yourself at least as much as necessary.

I did not ask about consent to sex. I asked about consent to parenthood.

I did not ask about consent to PLACE a bet. I asked about consent to LOSE a bet. Just because I bet on red and the wheel came up black, you're going to force me to give up my chips???

Do you believe that people should be forced into parenthood even if they do not want to be a parent?

Of course not. In case you're missing what I thought was an obvious implication, I'm saying that they make that decision when they make the baby. Situations where somebody is forced to make a baby are unfortunate and should be avoided. Women can make the decision to abort because, you know, it's their body. Forcing a woman to abort a pregnancy because a man regrets his decision to knock her up is ludicrous. Saying that having a baby that was created consensually is "forcing a man into parenthood" is fucking stupid, but that's what I'm getting out of your posts.

Do you believe that a man should be able to force a woman to have an abortion because he regrets his choice?

Comment Re:Swedes try product because of marketing (Score 1) 350

Agree 100%. Men should have to give consent every time they have sex. I'm firmly anti-rape.

I did not ask about consent to sex. I asked about consent to parenthood. Those are two different things. Once again I will ask (and please don't snip the context out):

I propose that a man's consent is required before he is made into an unwilling parent, just like a women has to consent to being a parent.

You insist on answering a different question: I did not ask "Should men be allowed to consent to sex", so stop answering that question. Let me rephrase my question so that there is no ambiguity:

Do you believe that people should be forced into parenthood even if they do not want to be a parent?

Comment Re:Swedes try product because of marketing (Score 1) 350

Is it because you only have a point if you remove context?

Didn't mean to alter context. I didn't quote your entire post because it wasn't all relevant to my response and it's RIGHT THERE for everyone to see.

Do you agree, disagree or just don't care?

Agree 100%. Men should have to give consent every time they have sex. I'm firmly anti-rape.

Comment Re: 'Let's make a hit song!' (Score 1) 448

I think you forgot the following two decades. The 70's gave us disco, and then the 80's gave us rap / hip hop *and* electronica - think Kraftwerk, Numan, Yello, etc.

A lot of disco music became "pop" music, sure, but very little rap / hip hop (RunDMC the exception) or the electronica you mention (maybe Devo). The 1980's brought in MTV, which drove a lot of what pop music. Talking Heads, Duran Duran, U2, Tom Petty, Michael Jackson, the Eurythmics, Dire Straights, etc. Even Van Halen (after being ruined by that blonde woman).

Comment Re:Swedes try product because of marketing (Score 1) 350

I propose that a man's consent is required before he is made into an unwilling parent

Are there a lot of incidents of men having their sperm stolen?

Actually, I only just noticed - why did you feel it necessary to snip my sentence in two? Is it because you only have a point if you remove context?

Let's not dance around the issue - the following sentence is a single atomic concept that you can either agree with, disagree with or remain totally neutral about:

I propose that a man's consent is required before he is made into an unwilling parent, just like a women has to consent to being a parent.

Do you agree, disagree or just don't care?

Comment Re:Swedes try product because of marketing (Score 1) 350

When you remove the negative consequences from something, you diminish the merits of those who would have have otherwise avoided it.

Are you suggesting a reward for people who successfully use birth control? How does one person having an abortion "diminish the merits" of a person that avoided pregnancy?

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