Well, I've got a 3-year old, and as long as she's curious about the world, I'm not fussy about what tools she uses in her exploration.

I have one point of contention.:
or go to a private school and rack up mountains of debt for no guaranteed payoff.

I think you'll find that most private schools can be more affordable than state schools when alumni scholarships are figured in. State school push you to get student loans and like to raise tuition when sate funding drops out. Private schools on the other hand have worked very for a long time to keep their costs down and like to have a decent percentage of the students come from lower incomes. So they tend to go out of their way to give you scholarships. The college I went to hand 80% of it's students receiving some sort of tuition reimbursement or scholarship. Mine was 80% of my tuition, I didn't even ask for it. My point being don't rule out small private colleges as being too expensive, you have to look at what they give back.

uh huh.

When did shouting down a person become just "mocking". And I wonder if you'd feel the same way if a bunch of right wingers interrupted your favorite speaker to the point that they couldn't continue.

It is funny when leftwingers do stuff, it is excused various ways, but when rightwingers do the exact same thing, it is "off with their heads" (see Acorn Scandal reactions).

I can see the hypocrisy, even if you refuse to.

No, at this point I have no idea what I or anyone else is arguing. I should have known better than to get involved in any internet conversation on something as subjective as economics lol.

For a propulsion system to transport large payloads with short transit times between different planetary orbits: a deuterium fusion bomb propulsion system is proposed where a thermonuclear detonation wave is ignited in a small cylindrical assembly of deuterium with a gigavolt-multimegampere proton beam, drawn from the magnetically insulated spacecraft acting in the ultrahigh ultrahigh adj. Exceedingly high: an ultrahigh vacuum. vacuum of space as a gigavolt capacitor. other linky. This could be science fiction for all I know but it sure sounds like a blast ;-)

The difference is that the first job is a lot easier to get with a BA than with an AT/AA. After that, the only thing that matters is your experience, skill and how you present yourself.

The market for programmers is there, but it is extremely frugal. I've had two companies die under me in the 2 years and now I am waiting on confirmation that my project is going to be renewed to find out if I need to find a new job. But in each case, I was able to secure a new job in two weeks or less.

What one man considers "alarmism" is better known as "experience" to another.

RTFA

You had a point up to:

- Many of us already citizens have fought for and killed for this country, possibly close to you right now; it is NOT a good idea to tell us to get fucked.

There, you fucked up and presented yourself as a real dick. So, go get fucked.

Due diligence, they call it.

But perhaps it's not too late for Oracle to try one of these numbers:

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That's exactly why I wouldn't trust him much. Takes time to write a book. More time to write it well.

Heh, true that but the second one's been tested.

Not to mention your use of the word "your".

You said the kernel sources weren't available and well, you were mistaken.

I cited an article that suggested it was closed. So, I repeat the question: is that article completely wrong? Or something changed since its publication?

The other stuff really IS closed, always has been and it makes sense. Apple is a software/hardware BUSINESS in direct competition with MS. The bits that are closed really are very innovative and impressive and they don't want to give it away. That's their choice.

Yeah, that's great, doesn't work for me though.

And BTW, Red Hat is a "BUSINESS" too, yet I can get the source to their stuff. Funny.

They don't want your contributions to it, which I doubt you would make anyway (most open source users do NOT contribute, they just whine and expect free support) and they don't want to give it to you for free. Wah, go cry about it or simply don't use it. Just because they don't follow the GNU Freetard business model doesn't mean they are screwing you. They really do screw iPhone users AND developers though. Those guys have a legitimate beef.

I'm not whining. You should read the thread you're posting in.

I'm explaining why the mere availability of GCC and other OSS applications in OS X mentioned earlier in the thread by 3vi1 means very little in regards to overall openness, and why that a few parts turn out to have source available still don't fulfill my needs. I'm interested in the ability of debugging the entire system from top to bottom (and yep, I actually do that and not just talk about it), and the ability to open bash in a terminal window doesn't do that much for that.

If your license and OS are so great, why are you even whining about Apple not being open?

I'm not. I'm perfectly happily using Linux on all my computers. Really I'm not really very interested in even a 100% OSS Apple system, as what I currently have works fine for me.

Because you want their goodies for free. Just use Linux and STFU.

Meh. I could probably have their goodies for free from BitTorrent if I really wanted, and I could easily pay for them as well. No, payment isn't the issue. It simply doesn't do what I want it to do, and I was explaining why. In its current state it they could pay me to take it, and I'd still not be interested.

I would much rather have an ARM netbook than that POS Atom and its power-sucking chipset anyway. Especially if it ran real OS X and not a stripped iPhone-like OS tied to that obnoxious app store.

I'd happily run Linux or BSD on ARM as well though. I don't believe in x86-everywhere. x86 sucks, it's just had enough R&D dollars thrown at it to make it fairly quick and cheap to produce. Hell, I'd much rather Apple had stuck with PPC.