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Comment Re:Code of Conduct - Exact Text (Score 3, Insightful) 780

This Code of Conduct applies both within project spaces and in public spaces
when an individual is representing the project or its community. Examples of
representing a project or community include using an official project e-mail
address, posting via an official social media account, or acting as an appointed
representative at an online or offline event.

Looks good. So if you are not acting on behalf of the project, use official project email for communication, or were officially appointed representative, then your conduct has no relationship with this. Extreme example - Nazi would still be able to contribute as long as Nazi-related speech is kept out of commits, discussions, mailing list, and group events.

Representation of a project may be further defined and clarified by project maintainers.

Ugh, what? Why bother defining the above applicability rules and then inserting this gigantic "scope is what project maintainers decide the scope is"? This seems like a huge flaw that has to be fixed.

You've confused a feature with a bug. That isn't a flaw. That's entirely by design. It gives the impression of being defined, but ultimately allows it to be fudged however the political winds are blowing. Neat, no?

Comment Re:Oh thank god (Score 3, Insightful) 780

Your argument fails in the fact perhaps that guy with the man bun or a fedora and attended those code camps are actually a brilliant person who can really contribute.

Or you do want Linux coded by all guys with a short hair cut, suites, and has PHDs.

Coding is 25% intelligence and 75% effort. If someone is willing to do the effort then they should be able to contribute, if their code is crap, then don't put it in. As their current contribution didn't meet the standards needed for this deployment.
They should feel free to learn and try again, perhaps the next time they may have something brilliant.

Good coding is a combination of experience and intelligence with a side of knowledge.

If you think people won't be afraid to openly criticize code if it comes from *PROTECTED CLASS* when one is a member of *NOT-PROTECTED CLASS* then you've clearly not been paying attention to this part of the world.

It'd be nice to be wrong with this. It'd be nice for the SJWs not to eat this. It'd be nice if merit and not other considerations was the only determining factor. It'd be nice. It'd also be surprising

Comment Re:The Pao crusade continues (Score 2) 164

I'm guessing chairman Pao would be much happier with the Chinese model. They do after all censor all the social media for "positive impact" and "protecting a small subset of users".

Are those really the only two possibilities, totalitarian censorship or horrifying trollscape? With all the ingenuity of Silicon Valley and the rest of mankind, and that's all we can come up with?

I think we can do better; the biggest obstacle to finding a better solution is the belief that one does not exist.

This isn't something that can or should be fixed with technology or silencing the opposition. Myself, I don't think "hate speech" should be banned. When one bans something like that one doesn't actually make it go away, all one does is drive it underground. The correct and only workable solution is to confront it and destroy it on equal footing. If the posters of such speech truly have no real value, they will be driven out. Can one change the minds of the propagators of such things? Probably not. Though, that wouldn't be the point. One doesn't argue against such to change their minds, but to hopefully change the minds of anyone listening and banning such doesn't have a chance of doing that.

Comment Re:How About "Good Enough"? (Score 1) 525

What else are those people going to do?

Upgrade less often.

If I upgrade every 4 to 6 years instead of every 2 to 3 years, then Apple is selling half as many computers. Why would they want to do that?

A lack of hardware updates and such doesn't matter.

Except that they are a hardware company.

Their sales are still strong with little to no new investment.

Wrong. Sales of Mac hardware is stagnant. The Mac Pro line is dead, with infinitesimal sales. They make almost all their money from phones ... which they upgrade regularly.

Interesting. I was unaware their Mac sales were in the can. In that case... Yeah, I've got nothing here

Comment Re:How About "Good Enough"? (Score 2) 525

As a society, we have become obsessed with never-ending growth and progress.

That is not the issue here. Just because hardware is updated every year doesn't mean people need, or want, to upgrade that often. But when their old hardware finally needs to be replaced, they shouldn't have to buy a "new" computer based on tech from two years ago.

I really don't understand Apple's strategy. They have a huge locked-in customer base, and high profit margins. Any other hardware manufacturer would love to be in their position. They could be making a lot of money by releasing more often. Yet they don't. It doesn't make sense.

Seems to make plenty of sense. It's contained within what you said right here: "huge locked-in customer base". What else are those people going to do? Move to Windows? Linux? They're solid Mac users. A lack of hardware updates and such doesn't matter. Their sales are still strong with little to no new investment. That base is more than happy to keep paying more and getting less.

Social Networks

More Millennials Would Give Up Voting Than Texting (nypost.com) 350

An anonymous reader quotes the New York Post: As the staggering national student loan debt tally sits at an all-time high of $1.33 trillion, according to the Department of Education, many millennials say they would go to extreme lengths to wipe their slate clean. According to a new survey from Credible, a personal finance website, 50 percent of all respondents (ages 18-34) said they would give up their right to vote during the next two presidential elections in order to never have to make another loan payment again.
Yet only 44% said they'd be willing to give up Uber and Lyft -- and only 13% said they'd be willing to give up texting.

Comment Re:The UAW is like the mafia (Score 1) 147

If you claim safety is magically improved then I would like a citation. Not sure how you get 4 points for your opinion based on "a person who believes electrification..." blah blah. I was a contractor at the plant working 14 hour days for a long time and I was shocked by their standards for safety. I was also surprised at Tesla's lax protocols and their eagerness to import the cheapest workers from wherever. I also got a kick out of the profane gangster rap workers would blast from radios stationed at different pitches. Tesla badly needs a union in my opinion. There are a lot of things they are still learning about building cars and I saw things that would never fly at any other auto plant. The union would definitely improve things.

I'll provide citations since you don't. What is this crap? They don't vet the people working for a contract house so you end up with undocumented workers in the plant working obscene hours in dangerous locations. This kind of stuff doesn't happen in UAW or Japanese plants...
http://www.teslarati.com/tesla...

You post as an AC and give a single cite which itself says that Tesla was not at fault, according to OSHA, for the incident. Were you trying to prove your point or just hoping no one would bother to actually read your cite.

What's more, I'd be very very surprised if every UAW and Japanese plant is a paradise of safety and wonderfulness where no one is ever hurt and no one ever feels over worked and so on. I've been to at least one such plant, small sample I know, and I can easily imagine standing at that line all day and thinking that I'm all kinds of overworked.

Your cite, such as it is, mentions that some workers claimed they were being paid as little as $5/hr which is of course under minimum wage. However, they are also contractors paid by a different company and not Tesla. Even if their claims are true, which in my opinion is doubtful, the sub-contractor is at fault not Tesla.

Your cite is ultimately not much of a cite. I'd say "try again" but since you posted AC you won't even see this response.

Comment Re:Not what he said. (Score 3, Insightful) 594

But there is a question of balance. $21/hour in the Bay Area isn't much, but with a little overtime it isn't terrible for a low to no skill job. It also isn't that different than $25/hour after union dues. Ergonomics and on the job injury are dealt with by workers comp, and the company eventually has an incentive to address material issues, especially in California.

While I like living in California and many of the protections it offers workers, it is already a lot like being in a union. Why add the extra layer of crooks to the mix?

Not only that, but absent a very very tight job market, if Tesla is really paying so poorly for the area and treating everyone so badly then why work from them? If they aren't having any trouble getting employees then either they have one hell of a PR department to cover these awful awful conditions or.. maybe those awful conditions don't exist and the UAW just wants another source of dues?

Comment Re:Not what he said. (Score 1) 594

Exactly he's complaint is not against Unions per se but against someone who purposely got hired by Tesla for the expressed purpose of instigating Unionization.

As it stands, it still begs the question: why? If you are of the conviction that all workers should be encouraged to be in a union, is it wrong to try to convince others that they should join? IOW, does freedom of speech only hold for the right kind of opinions? Taking a job with Tesla so you can talk to your colleagues about joining a union is no different than going to any other place to argue for your particular opinions; or going to another country as a missionary. Is that morally wrong?

In very general terms and most cases, missionaries don't show up in another country telling people they're structural engineers or the like and then proselytize. Is that sometimes the case, yes I imagine it happens for reasons of safety and such. I'm sure you could try and make the comparison that what this person may have done is exactly the same thing, entering hostile territory under false pretenses. Whether that comparison is accurate or not doesn't actually change the base fact that it is dishonest and arguably immoral.

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, no one is saying this person can't agitate for unions at all, but whether or not he was paid to go in as an agent of the UAW to take employment under false pretenses purely to advance the agenda of the UAW. It's one thing if the workers at Tesla hated life and figured the only way to fix things were to bring in the UAW and it's something else entirely if the UAW said to itself, "There's an untapped source of union dues!", and decided to pull some shenanigans.

Comment Re:Trying to get shot? (Score 1) 678

That is maybe the dumbest thing I have read in a while.

That's one perspective. Another perspective is, since you clearly have no idea what I'm talking about, your opinion on the perspicacity of my argument doesn't carry a lot of weight.

"for the sake of liberty give up your rights" That's some strange doublethink.

Particularly given that that quote "for the sake of liberty give up your rights" can't be found in any of the things I said. Unless you think that the DELUSION that guns enhance your liberty is what you have a right to - that you think you have a right to be deluded and not have anybody tell you.

To be frank, I know exactly what you're talking about and the reasoning behind it and I still agree with him. He said it more directly than I did, but what you're saying makes absolutely no logical sense and the proposed solution the an agreed problem and issue does nothing at all to address the issue at hand.

Comment Re:Trying to get shot? (Score 1) 678

I've always found it odd that the people who are most afraid of non-state actors carrying are usually the ones who also want more and more State and centralized power and authority. Thoughts?

I think you are both right and wrong.

Right in the sense that in most places around the world, people long for the rule of law (proper rule of law, not crude, mocking replicas) and the presence of armed militias, warlords and strongmen are a key factor in the prevention of this foundational democratic principle. The reality of guns replacing the rule of law is made concrete in the Congo, or the Sudan, or Syria. We can't get our way, so we'll shoot people who disagree with us, without reference the rule of law, the congress of the people, negotiation and compromise, let alone being elected based on your ideologies and theories.

Wrong in the sense that in America, regardless of what I imagine is an earnest desire for democracy, it is the american idea of the gun that has led to the present tyranny. Not the guns themselves (neither here nor there), and not really the individuals that carry them, who are often quite ordinary. But the idea that having guns will prevent the degradation of democracy, the idea of american exceptionalism, the mythology of the american revolution, these have led to blind complacency and even denial of the seriousness of these depredations, these erosions, these desecrations of the sacred principles of democracy. Why do americans meekly accept the slaver's yolk? Because of their delusional attachment to guns as a mainstay of protecting a democracy that they are simultaneously failing. Failing to protect and uphold by means which (unlike guns) are actually effective!

For the sake of freedom, for the sake of liberty, for the sake of the dignity of man, throw away your guns.

Er... What?

There are many reasons why things seem to be heading in a less Liberty oriented direction but I'm reasonably sure the ownership of guns isn't one of them. I can't say I've ever heard a single person say anything even remotely like "Well, that latest violation of the principals of Liberty is totally okay because I have my AR-15!" Even if a person said such a thing they'd be rightfully laughed at as the idea is ludicrous.

The closest anyone has come to such a statement is that the Second Amendment provides an ultimate last resort option in the event that government went too far. Each person's limit of too far is likely different, but that doesn't even remotely justify the idea that present conditions can rightfully be traced to a "delusional attachment to guns as a mainstay of protecting a democracy"

What makes you believe that to be the case? What's more, even if that were true, logically throwing away ones guns wouldn't change anything and the correct course of action would be to get more involved in elections and pay more attention to things.

Comment Re:Slice Statistics (Score 1) 678

So because people die in cars and obesity related issues, it's OK to continue to let people die due to guns?

First, who said that? Second, no one has ever died due to a gun. Never has a gun leaped up off a table and shot someone just because it wanted to. They were killed or injured by someone using a gun. You may wish to stop blaming the tool and blame the user.

There's a difference between guns, cars and food, your average Joe doesn't need a gun (let alone an assault rifle).

That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. It's one that I clearly don't agree with and to which I would say "What gives you the right to determine that?" If you don't want one, want one in your house, or want to be around people who have them that's your business.

Remove guns, reduce gun deaths. Pretty simple, has worked in other first world countries.

Who cares? If one really cared about those harmed they'd focus on what brought things to that point and not the tools used, as if banning them will suddenly make criminals shrug their shoulders in defeat. You want to help those people? Fantastic. Demand an end to the War on Drugs. Look for ways to lift people out of poverty without demanding more money from tax payers. Improve mental health care and campaign to remove the stigma associated with getting help.

Serious cultural differences there.

You're correct. There are serious cultural differences here. When bad things happen in many parts of the world people look to the heavy hand of government to solve their problems for them. You don't see that quite as much here, though that infection is starting to take hold.

In conclusion, like many who favor ever increasing regulation, you seem to want to blame the tool and ignore the causes. It seems to be the case that you believe that if only you could ban guns then suddenly criminals will just stop doing business, what with them being such law abiding chaps and all. -.-

Comment Re:Trying to get shot? (Score 1) 678

Odd. I own guns and I carry a gun. Can't say I want power over anyone, unless we're counting myself. I've always found it odd that the people who are most afraid of non-state actors carrying are usually the ones who also want more and more State and centralized power and authority. Thoughts?

Ooh, ooh, an open invitation for my opinion!

I wouldn't say I'm 'afraid of non-state actors carrying', hell that is a mouthful right there, I just think the current US guns laws are stupid.

I'm also not in favour of 'more and more State and centrailized power and authority', but I do think a certain amount of state power gives the greatest net gain to society overall (it certainly beats no state power, which we get to see every now again in third world countries - hint, it ain't pretty).

So we know guns can be owned privately without issue, and we know regulations at some level produce beneficial results. So where do we land?

As someone else eloquently quote the other day, guns are force multiplier for crazy people. In the right hands they can do good, in the wrong hands they can do bad.

If you have an interest in reducing harm, then I can't see how you can accept the current gun laws in the US (especially when compared with every other similar Western democracy).

Crazy people with guns are a vanishingly small minority though. They grab headlines but aren't where most of the problems are. I'd wager we could reduce harm far more effectively in other areas with other programs. Ending the failed "War on (some) Drugs" would be an excellent start since large numbers of the murders and such are committed by and/or for drug gangs and related activities. Ending the drug war would likely remove their power and profit base and reduce crime related to same. There may be an uptick in user related crime but I'd wager it would be nothing but noise as compared to the drop in straight gang related crime.

Heavily regulating guns won't hardly effect, if at all, those most likely to misuse them and as such there seems little logical reason to increase regulation beyond current levels. Reducing crime, already at record low levels, even further is a good thing. Reducing violence, also at record low levels, further is also good. I think we trip ourselves up when we try and focus on "gun deaths" and "gun crime" and not just "crime."

Comment Re:Trying to get shot? (Score 1) 678

I'm pretty sure people who like having power over other people are the one's with the guns.

Odd. I own guns and I carry a gun. Can't say I want power over anyone, unless we're counting myself. I've always found it odd that the people who are most afraid of non-state actors carrying are usually the ones who also want more and more State and centralized power and authority. Thoughts?

The trouble is that for most anti-gun people, the only gun owners they encounter are the loud and aggressive gun nuts who argue with them. (And vice versa I suppose) As with most prejudicial situations, if both sides were to mix more and see that by and large the folks on the other side aren't that different, the air would leak out of the balloon.

Seems reasonable. Many people have long said that the quickest way to convert an "anti-gun" person to at least being neutral is to be nice and maybe take them to a range. De-mystify and de-demonize the subject as it were.

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