Good application for it here though!

Yes, because MS has earned the trust of their customers, and claiming that anyone that disagrees with them is "an immature piece of shit" is adult discourse.

Go back down to the basement and get some sleep, your Mom doesn't like t when you are cranky like this. You shouldn't stay up playing World of Warcraft for so long on a school night.

*shrug* Well, that was a mature, well reasoned response to a post that attempted to put a humorous spin on a very real problem. The FACT that the 'C'loud is an attempt to own data that YOU produce and then rent it back to you is, of course, totally reasonable to you, right?

But that's OK. I guess you are one of the ones who capitalize the word 'cloud' to make it 'New'.

Sure.

Of COURSE they are. They are trying to find a different way to market it - since DRM has no user benefits and users actively dislike it, they 'need' to redefine the issue so users have no choice.

This is marketing.

Well since the {xxAA} already owns most modern works of art and all performances forever (with the blessings of our government), and companies already own ideas (thoughts), it stands to reason that Microsoft would want to own the results of any actions facilitated by software written by them as well. I mean, how can they continue to expand their market if they don't? Be REASONABLE! I mean, this can get rid of any ambiguity about ownership and remove copyright and patent issues forever! It's simple - "All your files are belong to us"!

So you only talk when Dems are in office. It all makes sense now.

Yeah. Now.

FACTS are what I presented.

Rebut them if you can. Use facts, not 'no I was against it then, too' because 51 percent sure thought it was cool.

And I REMEMBER getting abuse for opposing the TSA. Do YOU remember that? No, you 'remember' conservatives hating it?

No you don't.

I call BS. If you said ANYTHING against the administration you got shouted at for being a traitor, for opposing the government in wartime. NOW, 'everyone' was against everything that happened in the Bush years (except nobody is supposed to remember the past unless its to complain about Clinton or Carter, of course).

I'm old, but my memory isn't that bad.

"There were reasons why Bush's approval rating was low even amongst conservatives in his second term. That was a big one."

Yup that's why he got 51% of the vote in 2004.

TSA was established after 9/11 and transferred to the Department of Homeland Security in 2003.

So yeah. BS.

It's the goal.

That's what removing social safety nets and reducing regulation is all about - creating a desperate underclass that will work for slave wages. You have to get 'those people' used to police abuse early, or they might realize how badly they outnumber the oligarchy. No, just keep telling them that abusing their freedoms is the only way to 'keep them free', and the people will be satisfied, nay, they will DEMAND abuse.

Simple, huh.

Now THAT would be fun to watch.

It was in the beginning.

Especially in the US.

As an aside - and while I have time - if anyone is still reading this...

This conversation, to me at least, is a model of actual communication and rational discourse between people with widely differing views. I wish more folk I talk with were capable of this (heck, I have a rotten enough temper that I wish _I_ did more often as well).

If people with differing views could discuss them as rationally, and calmly as this conversation was, it would be a happier world.

OK - now I have to go back to my regularly scheduled life.

Talk to you soon, sonoftheright!

sorry didnt continue that thought. Nice talking with you - RL intrudes however