Oh. The opinions of people I know is irrelevant because I know them and have actually spoken to them? How perfectly arrogant of you, to dismiss them out-of-hand.
They're irrelevant as being representative of a large trend in the country as a whole, which you seemed to be using them as, in an attempt to counter my point that a significant percentage of those who didn't like the health care bill did so because it didn't go far enough if you look closer at the data. The same way I wouldn't claim to know that everyone just loves the health care bill because my personal circle of friends does.
Polls can have their problems, especially if done using biased questions as you said, but I'll take the overall view afforded by multiple independent polls over the anecdotal evidence of any one person's small group of non-random demographically and geographically isolated peers any day.
Take a set of people that have special needs children, let them read the bill, and see what they think. I'm telling you that based on what I know from first hand knowledge, this "health care bill" is a complete and utter disgrace.
I have my doubts you actually know this from personal experience as opposed to Sarah Palin's twitter feed, but nevermind. A far as I can tell, your argument is that the bill doesn't do enough to stop insurers from denying coverage to children with special needs by claiming pre-existing conditions. What? Isn't your entire point that you don't want the government regulating insurers to prevent them denying coverage, etc? You're reminding me of the people nonsensically shouting "keep the government out of my Medicare!"
Anyway, looking it up, apparently the language in the bill wasn't clear as to whether the coverage denial protection for children would take effect this year or 2014. The loophole is supposedly being closed by HHS regulations that will specfy this year, but rate increases will probably still be possible until 2014. Again, see above. I'm not sure how some protections for families with special needs children are worse than leaving them to the mercy of the insurance companies as is, but ok.
Statistics mean nothing in Real Life
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Short of asking every person in involved their opinion (which is what voting is supposed to do, although it isn't practical to do on a frequent basis at present), well-conducted polling is the best way to estimate the breakdown of opinions in the country as a whole. My statistical argument didn't have much to do with the merits of the bill itself, but with your ridiculous claim that a law being passed that you personally don't like is somehow "tyranny", despite it being done through proper procedures by duly-elected congressional representatives, and the bill itself or a stronger version of it being supported by many people in the country. Again, the argument that it isn't Constitutional doesn't have a leg to stand on in court by modern standards, so good luck with that.
A law that forces citizens into buying into a contract or face jail (or fines, or both) is a BAD law
I'm not that big on the idea of the individual mandate myself, but I can see the reasons for it, and it's a fine only. My opinion will basically depend on exactly what the exceptions for "financial hardship" will entail, as applying it to anyone who doesn't have insurance because they can't afford it seems decidedly counterproductive.
(I used to hate the idea of being forced to buy car insurance when I was younger, until I realized it wasn't primarily for my benefit, but for that of the other drivers I might hit, and it made more sense)
A law that makes taxpayers pay for a procedure that (most of the time) is NOT a "medical necessity" but one of convenience is a BAD law.
I assume you're talking about abortion here. Stop being evasive, your opposition to federal reimbursement of them likely isn't based on efficiency, but ethics. I can respect wanting to stay as far away from infanticide as possible, although I don't believe the current legal limits allow them to take place late enough to rise to that level (I would have to check the state breakdowns on abortion limits and the research on fetal nervous system development to be sure- in my opinion, anything conscious enough to feel pain deserves ethical consideration). In any case, abortions are currently a valid medical procedure as defined by law, and the current limits on Medicaid reimbursement for them aren't being changed.
A law that takes the "quality of life" decision out of the hands of the individual or the individual's family is a BAD law.
You're going to have to be more specific on which provision of the bill you're talking about, unless this is a "death panel" thing, in which case I can safely ignore it.
You haven't been paying attention to the news lately, then. Massachusetts elected their first Republican Senator in 40 years over this health care plan that was forced through Congress, because they were against the whole idea. Look at the election results (the only poll that matters), and you will see that it was hardly "somewhat evenly split".
The national polls are split, as I said. And one election does not a nationwide certainty make, although if people really dislike the bill that much, they are of course free to elect enough Republicans to repeal it.
Sigh. You've never heard of the Law of Unexpected Consequences, have you? If language exists that would allow such a thing, intended or no, then someone will take advantage of it.
The whole Death Panels thing was absurd hyperbole based on allowing doctors to help patients with end of life planning (something Palin had previously supported), and you know it. Either that, or you're deluded.
That bill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Affordable_Health_Choices_Act_of_2009#Reimbursement_for_counseling_about_living_wills) wasn't even the one that passed, anyway.
Obama never actually signed it.
What are you talking about? It was signed on the 24th. (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/ Executive_Order_13535)
Executive Orders, contrary to what you may believe, are NOT Law. Only Congress can write Law.
I didn't say they were law, what's your point? Where would Federal money to reimburse abortions be coming from if not from executive branch agencies?
Article II, Section 2 of the US Constitution lists the powers available to the president. It does not state (nor does it imply) that the president can write or affect changes in a law being voted on by Congress. Were this possible, then there would be no doubt whatsoever regarding "line item VETO", which was shot down years ago.
See above. Are you saying there's something in the Bill that would contradict his Executive Order?
I would suggest that you go back and study the Constitution a bit. You might be surprised at what's in there, versus what Congress and Obama are trying to get away with.
I've read it (more people should, it's surprisingly short). They're going by the same broad interpretation of legislative power we've been using for the last century or so. It's hardly unprecedented.
we have a representative democracy, not direct
No. We have a republic, not a democracy.
We do have a representative democracy. It's also a constitutional republic, but I used the term specifically to highlight the difference between our system of government and a direct democracy, in which the public directly votes on all issues, rather than our elected representatives. If you want the country to be run entirely by public referenda, you're free to advocate for a direct democracy, but it isn't what we have currently. Personally, I think our voting systems would have to be made a good deal more convenient and efficient before even considering it, and even then there are problems with the idea (see: California).
A significant percentage of those polled didn't like the bill because it didn't go far enough to change health insurance.
Not the people I've spoken to... Most of the people I know don't like the bill because it supports abortion, restricts care for children with "pre-existing conditions", and a laundry list of issues that do not help children with special needs.
What's that? *Gasp, shock* The people you know and talk to tend to agree with you? Why, that's... utterly irrelevant. I don't give a shit about your anecdotal evidence. There are over 300 million people in this country, and I doubt your self-selected group of friends and acquaintances is a good representative sample, or large enough to be statistically meaningful.
The most recent polls are somewhat evenly split as to whether the majority of the public supports or dislikes the health care bill (there may have been differences in how the questions were asked), but my point is it doesn't really matter, policy changes are up to the elected officials until the next round of elections, and by then most people will probably be aware that the Communist Death PanelsOMG!!1!! doom-and-gloom was nonsense.
Also, two of the objections you named seem to be about the bill not being inclusive enough, which I thought was the opposite of your issue with it. (I would say the abortion one was refuted by the President's executive order reaffirming the ban on Federal funds going to them, but I suppose you could argue he'll just reverse it later)
On top of all this, Congress has no business mandating health care. That's a task for the individual states.
That's your opinion. The Supreme Court and something like a century of legislative precedent would likely disagree with you.
This argument isn't entirely unreasonable; I don't particularly like the broad interpretation of things like the commerce clause in lieu of passing specific Constitutional amendments to specify powers either, but that's how our government has functioned for a long time now, with some instances going back to the early post-founding days. The lawsuits by the state attorney generals are a publicity stunt- they aren't expecting them to actually hold up in court.
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