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Comment Re:what other industry does that? (Score 1) 310

What other industry?

Off the top of my head:
- Cell phones
- Internet assistants
- many IOT devices
- computers
- internet routers
- ISPs
- TVs
- Radio broadcast
- many web pages

That's just off the top of my head, and just the ones that do it in large bulk at the moment, however just wait, because almost EVERY industry is salivating at exactly this possibility, and the list of ones actually doing it is growing longer by the minute.

Comment Re:How to lose a customer for life (Score 1) 310

So you're simply not going to drive any more. That's ok with them, you don't have enough market share on your own to influence anything.
The issue is that it won't be one company doing it, they'd get creamed in the market, it will be all the big companies doing it, so people will just accept it as if it's normal (see TV, the internet, etc)

Comment Re:You trust teslas automation? (Score 1) 120

I don't trust Tesla's automation for one second. Of course they've also never sold a car with autonomous features, only driver assistance, and I trust their driver assistance every time I get in the car. The difference is that I am always in control of the system. I am driving. Tesla isn't. The absolute worst thing the automation is capable of doing if it screws up is to move the car a foot or so to the side before I catch it and override. And if there wasn't several feet beside the car to start with, I never would have engaged the system in the first place.

The way the system is designed, there is still a physical link between the steering wheel and the steering of the front wheels, and between the brake pedal and the brakes. The software simply cannot override that no matter what it does wrong.

If you treat it as the feature it is (a better cruise control) it's great. If you expect it to drive itself you're both ignorant, and stupid.

That said, apparently too many people were both ignorant and stupid, so in a pure marketing move, and against the law in almost every jurisdiction, Tesla retroactively removed a paid for feature from all the cars it had already sold. Luckily for me, I've rooted my car and was able to re-instate the feature that Tesla stole.

As for resisting code audits, that's partly to cover their blatant copyright infringement using GPL software without adhering to the GPL, and partly because Tesla is of the opinion that they know better than the rest of the world on all things and have a right to do anything they want to other people's property without their permission. I'd say that it will come back to bite them eventually, but as long as they have no competition, and most countries consumer protection laws lack any teeth, what incentive do they have to change?

As for Tesla's "full self driving" that's just another of a long line of marketing lies, they'll never get there with the current hardware, nor will any regulatory body ever approve it with this hardware (we don't even need to talk about software for this, the hardware is so obviously incapable of it that the software is irrelevant)

Comment Re:Underpromise, overdeliver (Score 1) 120

They promised all sorts of things, most of them were lies, the free upgrades are too.

What will most likely happen is that they will eventually re-define "full self driving" to be no more than they originally promised the basic auto-pilot tech could do back in 2014. "hands free on-ramp to off-ramp driving with an attentive driver behind the wheel"... see, that's "full self driving"... right?

The worst part though is that they'll likely get a pass on it just like they have on every other lie so far.

Comment Re:Of Course (Score 2) 120

There were no adhesives, it was simply nut and bolt. the real problem was that the battery shield had to come off (it was added to the car after the fast charge system was developed) which turned it in to a more manual process which took about 2-3 times as long as originally promised (of course it was still about the same speed as a gas fill-up)
A few customer cars were battery swapped, but very few. The reason? not because it was slow or hard to do, but because the swap station was across the street from a fast-charger, and the fast charger was a better way to travel. Still is.

Fast-charging beats battery swaps every single time. There's never a good reason to do battery swaps, and nobody who's ever driven an EV with a true fast charging option has ever actually wished for it. It was included simply because government bureaucrats who didn't even understand EVs let alone drive them on a regular basis thought it would be a neat idea and increased the CARB credits if a car could do it.

Use the Tesla Supercharger network and I can guarantee you that you'll have no interest in battery swaps ever again. The logistics and expense just don't make any sense when your car can charge faster than you can eat your lunch, and get you far enough to make it to your next meal.

Comment Re:Of Course (Score 1) 120

delivered, yes. But there are a lot of reservations for the 3 that for some reason aren't changing in to sales for the Bolt. That proves that the 3 is not competing with the Bolt, if it was, most of those reservations would have bought a Bolt by now, but instead Bolts sit on dealer lots while the wait for a 3 just keeps growing.

As soon as some company decides to compete with Tesla, we may see some interesting things happen, but for now there isn't a single competitor on the market.

Comment Re:Of Course (Score 1) 120

Any car, EV or ICE, sitting in my driveway is filling more of my vehicle needs than a $1,000 promise note from Tesla.

So if there was a waiting list for your preferred car, a bicycle would suddenly become even better than the vehicle you're waiting on? That's delusional.
Sure you can't get a Tesla because of the wait, but the fact that so many people are waiting instead of buying the already available Bolt just goes to prove that the Bolt isn't competing with the Tesla. If it were there would be ZERO reservations for the Tesla, and about half a million Bolts on the road right now. But that's not the case, Bolts seem to be sitting on dealer lots while people wait for their 3 to arrive. That's because the Bolt isn't competing with the 3, it's not even close.

I drive a Model S.
I could not drive a car without a fast charging network. Sure most of my charging is done over night at home, but I also do a lot of road trips, none of those are even possible in a Leaf or a Bolt.

As for you being "a huge percentage of the population". Sorry, you're not. And the number of reservation holders for the Tesla vs the sales for the Bolt prove that point.

Comment Re: Of Course (Score 1) 120

Ok, list me a single competitor that's "coming" that has the following minimum feature set:
- Fast-Charging network already existing that spans the entire continent and can recharge the car fully in the time that you'd stop for lunch at a fast food joint.
- Driver assistance features that are at least somewhat close to what Tesla has

Just with those 2 features (which are probably the 2 most important ones) I'm not aware of any, and we're ignoring all the other things that Tesla tends to have on their competitors (the phone app, the large touch screen, styling that doesn't look like a punishment)

Look, I want competition in this space more than most people, I'm dying to sell my Tesla and jump ship to a more ethical company (and trust me, EVERY company is more ethical than Tesla, and considering how unethical most big corps are that says a lot) But I'm just not seeing anything that can compete with my 2014 Model S coming any time soon. And until at least one of the other car makers understands what makes Tesla successful, this won't change.

Comment Re:In other news: water is wet. (Score 1) 120

So far it doesn't matter how much they lie, how much they steal, or how much they screw up, they've gotten a complete pass. They have zero competition, and can't build cars as fast as they can sell them. What incentive do they have to change their ways when everything they do turns out just fine for them?

Comment Re:It would be a shock if... (Score 1) 120

Sure, every single promise that came out of Elon's mouth in regard to driver assistance is missing:
- Can automatically pull out of your garage and meet you at the curb on private property. Not even close, they haven't released any feature remotely resembling this
- Can be summoned to your location wherever you are on private property. Nope, doesn't do this either
- Ultrasonics work at any speed. Nope, they top out well below the top speed of the car
- Monitors stop signs and traffic lights. Nope, ignores them completely
- Brings the vehicle to a full stop to avoid a collision. Nope, it actually releases the brake when it's shed a certain amount of speed, or gets below a certain speed threshold. (it actually has among the worst automatic emergency braking system in the industry in that regard)

List me a single thing that Elon claimed the car could do in regards to driver assistance that it can actually do. There isn't anything at that event that he got right. Not a single thing.

If you include his comments after the event, or to the media, or watch the test drives it gets even worse because even more things are claimed, none of which have come to fruition. Things like hands free on-ramp to off-ramp driving were claimed, now they pretend they never claimed that.

Comment Re:Underpromise, overdeliver (Score 2) 120

You are WAY too charitable towards Tesla here..

Tesla has been selling a full self driving option for over a year. Here's Musk's estimate of when the feature will be delivered to people who already paid and who are on 2-5 year leases:

2015: in 2 years
2016: in 2 years
2017: in 3 years

Why start in 2015? the 2014 and 2015 models were promised to have all sorts of driver assist features that not only do they not have, they will obviously never have, and Tesla refuses to even admit they promised despite images of their website and video recordings of the media event where they announced them. Full self driving on the 3 isn't "2-3 years away" even accounting for "Tesla time", it's NEVER on these cars. There is absolutely ZERO chance that these cars will ever have full self driving capability with the current hardware. It's simply not possible, they have no corner or rear radar or lidar, and rely 100% on cameras, only one of which has a method of clearing debris (an ineffective method at that) Full self driving needs the ability to see around a dirt spec on your windshield, the cameras on Tesla vehicles can't do that.

The absolute best case scenario for Tesla is that the "full self driving" feature manages to do what they promised at the "D" event for cars sold in 2014 with the original Autopilot, promises they have since tried to pretend they never even made.

They make great cars, but really over-promise.

That's the understatement of the century. I say "they make the best car available, but lie through their teeth about it and are the slimiest company I have ever done business with"

Comment Re:where's Rei? (Score 1) 120

Sure, Of course they also said the S would be about half the price it is, and that the 3 would be on the market by 2015. Other than that, sure the "Master Plan" was bang on... Of course the master plan isn't the only thing they've said about the car, but why let that stop us, we don't need to pay attention to anything they've actually said about the vehicle when we can just gloss over anything that doesn't match reality...

Comment Re:Of Course (Score 1) 120

it's really difficult to argue that an EV you can buy and drive home right now is not competitive with a Tesla Model 3

That depends. Does the EV you can drive home right now do what you need it to do? The answer for the vast majority of people is obviously "no" otherwise there'd be more Bolt purchases, and fewer 3 reservation holders.

The Bolt is a nice city car. The 3 is an everything car. Without a fastcharging network the Bolt won't work for a huge percentage of the population, this is obvious when you look at the sales figures.

Just because you can't get the vehicle you want, doesn't make the other cars somehow competitive with it, it just means that it's inaccessible.

Someone buying a Bolt "because they can't get a 3" is an admission that the Bolt is not as good, not proof that the Bolt is competition.

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