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Comment Re:Proposal Response (Score 1) 19

It's not Unitron, it's unitron, and always has been

Well, then... my bad on all fronts. :)

If I have to choose between giving up the name "slashdot.org" and giving up everything about the name of which I've been a part since October of 1998, it's no contest.

If that's the choice, I'm happy for Dice to take the name and leave the rest, since it seems like they'll be flushing the rest before long anyway.

I understand how you feel. I've been here a very long time -- like many others, longer than my UID suggests. I think since about 2003. I just have bad vibes about this jolt from Dice in all respects. We (the community) will figure something out. It may not be what we want 100% because of so many different opinions, but today's Slashdot isn't exactly what we want either. I'll see you around. :)

Submission + - CmdrTaco: Anti-Beta Movement a "Vocal Minority" (washingtonpost.com) 30

Antipater writes: The furor over Slashdot Beta is loud enough that even outside media has begun to notice. The Washington Post's tech blog The Switch has written a piece on the issue, and the anti-Beta protesters aren't going to be happy about it. The Post questioned Slashdot founder Rob Malda, who believes the protests are the work of only a vocal minority or readers: "It's easy to forget that the vocal population of a community driven site like Slashdot might be the most important group, but they are typically also the smallest class of users." The current caretakers of Slashdot need to balance the needs of all users with their limited engineering resources, Malda argues — noting wryly, "It ain't easy."

Comment Proposal Response (Score 1) 19

Unitron, you're looking for feedback on this idea. It's a little hard to follow and understand, but it sounds like you want to move slashdot.org to another URL (keeping all users and data and comments and stories intact). The slashdot.org would be used for the beta site and for whatever Dice wants to build there. If I understand you correctly.

I don't think the Slashdot crowd would appreciate that. I know I wouldn't. I'd prefer if they put whatever Dice really wants onto another URL (or a sub link or something) and put a little link on slashdot.org via advertisement. That would be cool with me. A family that has both hardcore and softcore IT people split into two areas. That actually wouldn't be so bad. I enjoy working with newbies. Not everyone has that kind of patience.

Based on responses I'm seeing, I don't think that is what they want.

Oh... I'm suspecting Unitron is one of several aliases you have. If I'm right, I'm not sure what you want to be called, so I just used "Unitron" here.

-- Common Joe

Valentines Day Slashcott: Boycott Slashdot because "Fuck Beta!": February 10 - 17

Support Okian Warrior's alternate slashdot idea! Information can be found here: www.altslashdot.org.

Submission + - An open letter to the management of Slashdot. 14

onyxruby writes: I have been watch for some time now as Slashdot has started beta testing a new version of the website. As you are well aware the new site would constitute a complete change to the look, interface and functionality of Slashdot.org.

Change happens, and for those of us who work with technology for a living it is the only constant. Change is a process and in and of itself is not a bad thing when it offers improvement. Unfortunately the change that has been offered negatively impacts the look, interface and most importantly the functionality of Slashdot.
Many people have had trouble reverting back to the classic interface. The new interface simply does not offer the functionality of the old. Things like statistics, comments and layout are very difficult to find. You have a community that lives and breathes data and want to know their data. How is my comment ranked, how many people responded – it’s really all about the dialogue. Can I get the information that I want in a readily digestible format?

As you’re well aware the new site does not offer the very thing that people come here for. This in and of itself is not why your community has organized a boycott of Beta. The boycott was originated because the new version will be implemented whether the community wants it or not.

I want to explain why this change has gone down people’s throats about as well as Windows 8’s Metro interface. The reason has absolutely nothing to do with the interface and everything to do with the perception that the editors and management of Slashdot appear to have.

The message that has been consistently handed down is that we are “your audience”. We are not your “your audience” we are your product. People do not come to Slashdot for the news stories, there are untold other sites that provide those as well as professional and original writing about them. People come here for the community of insiders from across the industry.

Please respect the community and stop what you’re doing. You have commented that you don’t want to maintain two code bases. Your community works in the industry and understands this, which leads many to suggest you abandon the new code base entirely so that you are only maintaining once code base. Tell us what your trying to accomplish and I would imagine that a wide range of experts would be more than willing to help you meet your goals.

Comment Re:Beta Sucks (Score 1) 249

Strange. I'd say you're trolling, but you have a low count six-digit user ID. I'll choose to treat you as misinformed.

You say that we are powerless. I disagree. I intend to boycott. Should that fail, I'll leave for another site... which is already in the making. (I might frequent both if both can survive. There are other IT sites after all.) That is the power of my choice.

As for power the of Slashdot, it comes from the community -- people like you and me. If enough people boycott, the quality of Slashdot will be seriously affected for a week. It will be interesting to see the results.

-- Common Joe

Valentines Day Slashcott: Boycott Slashdot because "Fuck Beta!": February 10 - 17

Support Okian Warrior's alternate slashdot idea! Information can be found here: www.altslashdot.org.

Comment Re:IMMINENT DEATH OF SLASHDOT PREDICTED (Score 1) 234

You probably already know about it as you're usually on top of things and I'm now going back to some older posts, but just in case, I'll reply to you anyway. altslashdot seems to be in progress of being constructed. It may end up at a different website, but that's the start.

-- Common Joe

Valentines Day Slashcott: Boycott Slashdot because "Fuck Beta!": February 10 - 17

Support Okian Warrior's alternate slashdot idea! Information can be found here: www.altslashdot.org.

Comment Re:About the proposed boycott (Score 1) 250

One thing is missing from these boycott calls: a means of communication before, during and after the proposed boycott. Without such a means of communication nobody will know whether the boycott is successful or not. At the most they'll head for /. - thereby negating the effect of the proposed boycott - to see whether it is as empty as intended.

It would be nice, but there is no requirement to discuss before, during, and after. Either Dice fixes what they are doing and the majority stay (some have already left over this) or people build their own Slashdot-like website. I'll come back on the 18th and look around. I'll know if things are back to normal or if they addressed the problems. If things really go south here, check out one of the other alternative slashdots that are being worked on. It will take some time for this to finish shaking out.

-- Common Joe

Valentines Day Slashcott: Boycott Slashdot because "Fuck Beta!": February 10 - 17

Support Okian Warrior's alternate slashdot idea! Information can be found here: www.altslashdot.org.

Comment Re:Wrong Target (Score 1) 158

In fact, do to incessant whining I've decided I really like Beta quite a bit and can we keep it just as it is? I'm going to fight hard for Beta now just because I know it pisses you off.

I already responded once to you but I had to reply to this comment: I'm in support of both the beta and the classic. I personally hate the beta and prefer the classic, but there is no technological reason why they can't run side by side. I know there are some people who like the beta. That's ok. It's their cup of tea. There is no reason why either needs to be taken away.

Before you say I'm contradicting myself in my signature, I'll also say that I merely picked up the "Fuck Beta" line because it was being forced down my throat in broken form. If they have plans to actually fix it (which they say they do but I'm not convinced of for reasons I won't get into here), I'm interested to see the finished product as are a lot of other people.

-- Common Joe

Valentines Day Slashcott: Boycott Slashdot because "Fuck Beta!": February 10 - 17

Support Okian Warrior's alternate slashdot idea! Information can be found here: www.altslashdot.org.

Comment Re:No you are NOT Slashdot (Score 1) 158

Consider this: if beta worked, you could just close the "petty vendettas" easily. (It's one of the things we're complaining about.) Most of the threads spawned pretty much had separate threads for beta and on-topic stories. I thought that separation was pretty amazing considering no one organized that. Yes, there were cross overs, but it wasn't that bad.

No matter what, I think you'll get your wish in a day or two and you can be happy. There's going to be a boycott and you can read your articles without interference. After that, things will go back to normal or become a ghost town.

(Yes, the editors responded, but they did not address all of the issues, so you're still going to see some noise for a day or two.)

-- Common Joe

Valentines Day Slashcott: Boycott Slashdot because "Fuck Beta!": February 10 - 17

Support Okian Warrior's alternate slashdot idea! Information can be found here: www.altslashdot.org.

Comment Re:Just be honest - it's not for *US* (Score 1) 2219

I already responded to one of your comments, but I want to respond to this one specifically.

Take a look at this website. It's obviously verbally vulgar, but otherwise it is safe for work and it's funny. It also makes a very serious statement that I think a lot of Slashdotters would agree with. I suggest you read this in its entirety. It's short and won't take long.

I have other opinions, but I won't repeat what others are already telling you.

Submission + - /. Beta comments don't work, users upset. (slashdot.org) 4

magic maverick writes: Since the new /. Beta came to light, many /. users and commentators have tried it out. However, they are almost universally condemning the new commenting system. It simply isn't as good as the so called Classic system. Some users, however, haven't a bad thing to say. Mainly because they haven't had a chance to even use the new system. It simply doesn't load. One user, Magic Maverick , who lives in a third-world country with crappy Internet, had this to say:

I come to /. for the comments, but with the new Beta, I can't even see anything! It just says:

''Shazbot! We ran into some trouble getting the comments. Try again... na-nu, na-nu!

It seems like the "developers" need to take some advice from people who actually know what they are doing. I'm happy to help explain what graceful degradation means if they like...


Comment Re:Resurrecting Technocrat.net (Score 1) 2219

Groklaw and Slashdot served two different needs. I'm not sure you can combine them, although in all honesty, I did not use Groklaw nor Technocrat.

Check out www.altslashdot.org and see about pooling resources if you're serious about a replacement. Someone actually mentioned you and Technocrat in the comments on the first page.

-- Common Joe

Valentines Day Slashcott: Boycott Slashdot because "Fuck Beta!": February 10 - 17

Comment Re:And that's exactly what I asked for. (Score 1) 2219

First and foremost, thank you (both Timothy and Soulskill) for responding. It's half a step in the right direction. The tone in this "story" is much less angry and more civil, so you definitely have our attention.

With that said, I'm still boycotting from February 10th through 17th to emphasize how angry I am. You have hurt the community here -- possibly irrevocably because I am also actively pursuing possibilities of an alternative slashdot-like site -- even though I'd rather stay with Slashdot. (I know of three that were started independently in the past 24 hours.) Why? Because this is the first major response to our complaints that you've given about beta in forever. You made us believe that you are "taking classic away from us". You still haven't directly responded to this problem and it is mind blowing.

It's really simple. Until you implement all major features, your site is an alpha. In an actual beta, all major features are implemented and you should only be working out bugs and kinks. We will be there to help you with both the alpha and beta. Forcing 25% of us into an alpha-ready site and telling us that classic is going away (a.k.a., our moderation) is wrong, pig headed, and premature. You need to acknowledge this above all else.

You also need 3 - 4 user interfaces that interface with your back end. We know it can be done and should be done. Three for desktops and maybe one for mobile. Of the three desktop versions: one with javascript, one without javascript, and one for lynx. Both the "with javascript" and "without javascript" versions should have different options that are stored in cookies and logins so we can customize a bit.

You, every single programmer, and every manager need to read every single comment that Timothy has generated. It's a good start to understanding what is wrong with your beta site and your communication about it. I agree with 98% of the comments I see. I know readers digest is important at the moment since your inboxes are flooded. I suggest starting with this comment, this comment, this comment, and this comment.

When I come back on the 18th, I expect to see something about how you are going to treat us better than you're treating us right now. If you give an actual mea culpa and fully address our issues, Slashdot will tower above any split offs. You have the momentum. If you don't, a lot of us are going to work on your competitor full steam ahead and many will jump from Slashdot. It's not a threat. This is your user base. We are technically oriented and opinionated. It just depends if you want to work with us or not.

Again, thank you for responding. I feel it is half a step in the right direction. I eagerly await the other half step. Me and many others will be watching closely (with the exception during the boycott).

Comment Re:The best part about Slashdot... (Score 1) 180

I really don't know of another site where I can attempt to follow a debate about nuclear fusion, and find a debate about Apple only a page apart. This is about to be taken away as the best and brightest around here are going to leave as they are fed up with these beta changes, and Slashdot as a quality site will die.

Yes, but there is hope. Boycott and if that doesn't work, we'll forge another website.

-- Common Joe

Valentines Day Slashcott: Boycott Slashdot because "Fuck Beta!": February 10 - 17

And Support Okian Warrior's alternate slashdot idea! A note from Okian can be found here: http://www.altslashdot.org/wiki/index.php?title=AltSlashdot. And be patient. It looks like the site and his email has been slashdotted.

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