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Comment Re:Screw the American auto industry (Score 1) 303

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And of course they have the best battery tech. Many European manufacturers, and Tesla, use Chinese LFP batteries because they are unbeatable. We really missed the boat, but it's even worse for Japanese companies who insist on using Japanese batteries.

We need to get on top of this, fast.

I wonder - is this anti-Chinese propaganda then? https://www.youtube.com/result... (compliation of burning Chines EV's)

I like EV's but there seems to be a disconnect between your claims of European Luxury level design, the best battery technology, and those burny things.

Comment Re:Screw the American auto industry (Score 1) 303

Then let China sell cars in the US.

I didn't say they shouldn't. Maybe every American will suddenly want a Chinese EV instead of what they are driving now, but I'm doubtful.

I don't know if it is something actual or just propaganda, but on Youtube, there are a lot of Chinese EV's catching fire, with videos showing it.

The amount of energy stored in the batteries is pretty significant, and unless properly engineered, likes out of its container and gets burny. Just like say, the bad engineering on the old Ford Pinto that made it like to burn up.

My guess is that if the Chinese cars are going to be sold in the USA, they'll need to be heavily scrutinized and perhaps altered in order to pass our safety regulations.

Comment Re:Screw the American auto industry (Score 1) 303

And you know this how?

Because it is a common trait among early adopters.

You know this how? I hear people saying that EV owners suffer buyers remorse.

But then again, we hear many things that ain't necessarily so.

What is more, Electric Vehicles have been around long enough that Early adopters are measured in decades now? Using the new generation of EV's not the over century old ones.

Comment Re:Screw the American auto industry (Score 1) 303

the product, fossil fuel cars, is obsolete...

I was singing a similar tune until this last winter, when a bunch of Teslas completely died due to the cold. People were pushing them down the street to get to charging stations. That showed me that fossil fuel vehicles are far from obsolete, and will continue to thrive until problems such as this are solved.

Isn't it weird how electrical vehicles are affected by cold, but petrofueld are completely unaffected by it?

Tents and gas flames https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Of course, you can always build a fire under it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

All sarcasm aside, gasoline and diesel engines also have problems in the cold. So if an EV does, it's because of the cold, not some inherent issue with EV's.

If people don't like EV's for some reason, that's fine. But just like the hand wringing when an EV catches fire, Petrofueld vehicles catch fire every day, and no one bats an eye. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... A lot of energy in batteries, and hella energy in petrofuels, and they get spunky every once in a while.P And a big part of the fix for both, rather than starting fires under the crankcase, is very similar in each case. Plug the thing in. In cold places like Alaska, parking meters have electrical outlets, battery and crankcase heaters, and you plug 'em in and keep them warm. An EV the same, you can even keep it topped off plugged into an outlet at home.

Comment Re:Screw the American auto industry (Score 1) 303

How do you know that guy at the store doesn't pull a work trailer around the other 99.9999% of the time when you don't see him? Or haul a boat and put atvs in the back. Or haul loads of firewood.

We call those Mall Queens. It is exceptionally obvious with so many of these trucks. Because using a truck for work leaves evidence.

Even my Jeep, while I have it detailed regularly, bears evidence of it's use. Mud, the occasional scratch that needs buffed out.

Pristine trailer hitches, no scratches on the chrome, and beds without scratches or dents, either, on the mall queens.

Having the pickup is a statement of their patriotism, and it must be shiny and polished, pristine as their pure heart and fealty.

Comment Re:Screw the American auto industry (Score 2) 303

There's a few reasons but one side effect I've read about is that we are in a vehicle size arms race. People liked "being above the road" and Americans have always held "big car = safe" and so if you have a family and other people are driving 4 ton monsters you are also going to require a 4 ton monsters to feel safe.

Unfortunately the culture of America is weird sometimes and in my opinion we fail to realize peak utility in vehicles is in station wagons, minivans and Hilux trucks, all vehicles most Americans think are not "cool"

I was really pissed when they quit making Ford Ranger trucks in the US, and even the Chevy S-10, once a compact truck, got bloated. After coming back, they are a midsized truck now. Which means that they are what a F350 used to be, in general.

This happens so often to vehicles due to marketing in large part - the 'ers. Bigger faster, wider and so on.

You might add something like the normal Jeeps to that mix. Some places, like where I live have pretty wild swings in weather, and there's a reason that our roads are busy with them. A bog standard Jeep Compass or the quirky Renegade is pretty inexpensive by today's standards, and will handle the swings.

Comment Re:Screw the American auto industry (Score 1) 303

I'd never buy such a thing but for reasons I don't understand they are very popular and sell at a huge profit.

The traditional 4 door sedan otoh is passing from American auto history bit by bit, year by year.

I see those trucks and suvs all over the place being driven by people who clearly would be better off in a 4 door but fuck if I know why they buy the trucks and big suvs. My BIL has a big truck he spent 100k on and then another 30k or so having it customized with big tires, jacked up, blah blah blah. He doesn't do a damned thing with it he couldn't do in -any- other street legal vehicle. The other day I saw some old guy coming out of the supermarket parked next me put two small bags in the back of his huge pick up. I could have carried both bags by one finger. wtf? Really? Those two tiny bags didn't fit on the floor in the cab?

I just don't get why they do it but it's why the automakers build them. They sell big time.

For many, the Pick-um-up is a statement of patriotism. I kid you not. These folk find their expression of patriotism in that big pickup, and the prices have risen because of that. But there's trouble in the land of Jingo.

You can easily spend 150K on that shiny new thing.

It is a tad jarring to see someone in one of them who obviously doesn't spend much on clothing, grooming, or their teeth, hopping out of their 10 mpg pretend monster truck. Meanwhile, My Jeep Trailhawk version costs nowhere near as much, gets between 28 to 30 mpg fills up for a third of the cost - They obviously aren't the wealthiest demographic. And it goes places they can't. I even knew one guy some years back that had a daily driver of a Ford 350 with dually rears and a 5th wheel in the truck bed. He had no trailer, it was all patriotshow.

You'll see these truck parked outside of old junky mobile homes that were built a long time ago, and might be exhibiting proton decay at this point.

10 year loans is one of the ways they "afford" these things. My guess is they also use a credit card for every 140-200 dollar fill-up, depending on if it's gas or diesel. Low easy payments for the rest of their lives. Sorta. P But the prices have reached a point where the hillbilly struggles to make the payments on that 10 year mortgage, and what is the point of having a prtriotmobile for 10 years, when you need a new and bigger one every 4 years.

Comment Re:Screw the American auto industry (Score 1) 303

So you would be happy driving a car that is, to an extent, built using slave labour ?

"Slavery" means forced labor. It does not mean "paid market wages".

Can Chinese autoworkers quit their jobs? Yes, they can, and every factory in Shenzhen is hiring, so they can find a new job by walking across the street.

Are Chinese factory workers underpaid? That depends on your perspective, but their wages are above the median wage in China and are enough to afford an apartment and a scooter.

This. People who may otherwise be subsistence farming are obtaining clean and stable work. Yes, at wages that a Western worker doing the same job would consider insulting. But these "slave labor" arguments always disregard the cost of living in their area. They are living a modern lifestyle on a lot less money.

Perfect? No. But eventually, competitive market pressures will have Chinese workers catching up - although as their wages rise, so will the cost of living.

Comment Re:Screw the American auto industry (Score 2) 303

In China, there is no UAW, which costs auto-industry billions of dollars. There are no real minimum wages, ...

So you would be happy driving a car that is, to an extent, built using slave labour ? I suspect that the answer would be "yes" if it means that it costs you less — just as most people are happy wearing clothes similarly made using slave labour, but this time in Bangladesh & similar.

The thing - if a person is physically owned by another, not having freedom to leave, that's slavery. So right off, the emotional use of the words slave labor are misleading. It is not slave labor, it might not be at a pay level you would like, but

The whole situation is awkward to say the least. The unasked question is - what is your alternative to Chine's labor for Chinese citizens? Return to subsistence living? immediately raise wages to the highest of Western wages?

China is bootstrapping, just as Japan did. And it might not be at wages we in the west would consider acceptable, their standard of living is improving.

And what countries that bootstrap learn is that eventually, those who work end up demanding more money, competition within the manufacturing sector makes that happen, and in the end, the bootstrapping stops, leaving a country that is just another country, with no particular advantage in price of their products.

At which time, interest shifts to another third world country willing to bootstrap itself. And China will be one of the countries looking for cheap outside labor as well.

All this takes place over decades, and there can be mis-steps along the way. And eventually, most of the world will be at similar standards of living.

Comment Re:Are they? (Score 1) 77

This headline is a pretty good example of what? As if no astronomer prior to this reviews and questions theories? Well, probably not as we all know that there was nothing, then there was something, and then a big bang.

And then the Big Cuddle,

Only if he's woke

Presumably there is a nice lady involved, though.

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