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Comment Re:I still don't get it (Score 1) 218

No, they don't listen to *you*. They do listen to the general public which makes up 99.44% of their user base.

For instance, *you* probably think Google Search should just be the world's most expensive grep, while the other 99.44% want it to figure out what they mean, without them having to spell out every little keyword.

Comment Re:didn't i have local search on my Mac years ago? (Score 3, Informative) 243

Apple filed the patent in 2000. I'm guessing it had something to do with Spotlight.

Google Desktop Search came out in 2005, I think. Just before the Apple patent was finally approved.

It's still a bogus patent. It's even short enough to be readable, despite the legalese. It basically says, you enter a query into a box, and the "machine" looks in several different places for the answer.

Comment Re:Not likely (Score 1) 230

WiFi sniffing was not to collect personal data. It was a 20% project to get an idea of what sort of traffic was on WiFis these days. No one ever looked at the actual data, and none of the data ever left the lab.

It shouldn't have been collected, and it was recognized as a privacy concern but they went ahead with it anyways. Google then lied about it by saying it was a "mistake" and "unintentional". They then asked the FCC to black out embarrassing findings that contradicted their public statements: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/05/google-wifi-fcc-investigation/

Like I said, it was not to collect personal data. That data was picked up as extra payload. The data was just part of an experiment to see what the distribution of traffic was like on WiFis these days. The data was never used for any commercial purpose. Everything in that article backs up what I said, except for the wild speculation on the part of the author. Just because it was transferred to the Oregon datacenter for storage doesn't mean it was used commercially. It was just in the engineers files. You say things like "embarrassing findings", when the fact was that they didn't want personal names released to the public.

Not deleting email was just a matter of the way data is replicated in the datacenters.

Deleting it is just a matter of replicating the deletion.

Yeah, I sorry, but it is not that simple. In a huge system like Google's, thing are marked for deletion, and then overwritten later on when the space is needed. There is no point in zeroing out anything, since the data is all encrypted anyway.

The Buzz fiasco was just a mistake.

I'm seeing this excuse a lot. That's quite a "mistake" to make.

So, you are saying that it was not a mistake? That they did it intentionally? That there was some motivation for them to, what was it, reveal status messages to peoples' contacts?

No, it was a stupid oversight. It slipped by.

I don't see how Google was abusing a loophole when the 2009 Google code was written two years before the 2011 loophole was written.

Reference? I did a search for: "google safari 2009 2011 cookies" and didn't find what you are talking about.

You're not looking hard, or you are using the wrong search engine. Try, "google ftc focused on 2009 help page". It's all over the place.

And as for keeping data for too long, I don't know what you are talking about. Generally, Google likes to get rid of that stuff as soon as possible.

Believe me, I'm even more baffled by your comment. Google hoards information, as their whole business is based on knowing as much as possible. I have no idea where you got this idea that Google likes to throw away data: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/03/google-keeps-your-data-to-learn-from-good-guys-fight-off-bad-guys/

Google might extract general trends from your information, to help guess what you might be searching for. But the actual information is disposed of fairly quickly. I think it's six months or so.

As for pervasive tracking, all google cares about is what sort of car you like. They could care less about any actual personal data.

But governments, hackers, and misbehaving employees do.

Yeah, good luck breaking into a Google datacenter. You have no idea.

Welcome to the real world.

Well, duh, that was my entire point. In the real world Google is a for-profit company that will ultimately act in their self-interest and not according to the angelic standards some think they follow.

In the real world, Google is a think tank that pays for itself by displaying ads. You don't have to believe me, since you have this great jaded hipster thing going on, but I'm just telling you how it is.

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