oh, ok, thanks for the info.

yeah, I'm not mixing them, it's cpc, but the gist of what you're saying is right.

but then if you're getting a 200k legitimate page views maybe 2000 bucks a month is reasonable...

I did a search today on what Facebook click rates were and the answer I'm seeing was 50 to 60 cents per click. That's $100,000, not $2000.

I can't believe advertisers were bidding to pay 50 cents per click so I hope I have misunderstood the numbers, but saw today elsewhere an article that mentioned paying $2 per click, so apparently this was thought to be effective. I say I can't believe it because of the high percentage of bot activity on any page.

Advertisers were apparently hoping it was legitimate potential customers. This is hitting national press today so lots of people will know better now. So will Facebook shareholders.

If it's mostly bots, then the amount advertisers are willing to pay will go down in proportion to how much bot "views" go up...

And as GP said, Facebook stock tanks. The amount advertisers pay is Facebook's income.

Advertiser's currently paying about 50 to 60 cents a click from what I'm seeing in a search today. It should go down to about a dime per click, Facebook $1 billion in income drops to $200 million, and Facebook shares tank likewise.

If you don't know about the jpg execution attack, you don't need to be giving me any advice.

If by false sense you mean I don't know what a drive by attack ois, you're right.

I looked it up and it says it requires tricking the user into loading a piece of malicious code. I thought I made it clear but apparently you didn't understand. Nothing gets installed unless I say so (which requires disabling auto stuff, such as executing jpg's, autorunning CD's, autoshowing emails, executing attachments, and on and on. All the dumb things that happen automatically. I disabled that.

Also, anti virus scans downloads of everything. So no I am not affected by drive by's, trojan authors, or any other malware.

[XP is] prone to malware, gradually degrading performance for no particular reason (requiring re-installs every 3-6 months), and an ugly, intrusive GUI.

I'm no Windows expert, but I still use XP on my three Windows PC's. I like the GUI better than Linux which I have installed on a fourth PC (OpenSuse KDE 12).

I have 7 at work and prefer XP. I haven't reinstalled in all these years using it but have had several PC's crash with fatal hardware errors. I'm not blaming XP for that.

I've had no malware ever but I run Symantec or Kaspersky anti-virus and I disable auto anything so that nothing happens unless I tell it to. I also install Windows updates.

I'll keep running XP as long as I can find a PC that'll run it.

couldn't agree more. well said.

good thinking, but problem is you're just taking the latest happy number lies from these huge defense contractors and doing what they intended you to do with them. There have been very few completed large projects for US Federal government for more than 20 years as far as I can tell. They're all disasters and none working very well. If there are success stories I'd like to hear about them but haven't.

Mostly true for large projects at all government levels. People blame governments but I blame the software industry who have been unsuccessfully trying to replace what us graybeards were able to do with limited computing power.

I was in Air Force supply (enlisted) during Nam. The Air Force's supply system ran locally on a UNIVAC 1050-II with drum barrel storage and card readers, and teletypes for interactive processing.

We had parts for aircraft and everything to run a base so yes, it's complicated. And our Air Force logistics system handled the workloads of busy Air Force bases.

We practiced procedures for war exercise which included the computer being down and I would put all the transactions performed during the week long or longer exercide in big stacks of cards in a certain order. We would have them run through at end of exercise and were measured on errors. We won the European Air Force Supply Command award one year that I handled that.

I've been an ERP programmer in RPG on the AS/400 line (now IBM i) for 23 years now (8 years 8086/Z-80 assembler before that), and yes writing ERP software or customizing ERP package software is hard. I did a couple of years of consulting at SSA for their BPCS package in mid 90's which ran many of the largest manufacturing companies in the world (although many switched to SAP for Y2K because of SSA insistence on rewriting to their CASE tool product for Y2K).

I've been working on all custom ERP since then for Fortune 500's. It takes good software programming but it's all doable, at least for us graybeards in RPG or COBOL on an IBM large midrange or mainframe.

Being the only guy who understands the wacky AS400 Accounting system because it relies on an obscure system of joined excel tables spread across the network? That is job security. I have seen it happen plenty in financial institutions. Usually those programmers are worshiped as the only ones capable of understanding the systems (of course, they only understand it because they wrote it and have maintained it for 25 years).

I'm one of those guys. There is no "the" wacky AS400 Accounting system (there is apparently your company's accounting system). There is no obscure system of joined Excel tables (yes, users download data to spreadsheets like everyone else). And we can understand anything with source code, not just the people who wrote it.

Yes, I expect I encountered an unusual glitch to hang responses to links (X lit and no response on any link after clicking Stop and trying some additional links). Hopefully I or no one else will encounter it again.

Like I said though, it's good, responsive, the way a technical forum should be, but doesn't carry a crapload of images that typical users burden forums with (from multiple sites) and the typical ad links which paralyze web pages. I'm all for high quality programming like these guys use though.

I had to try it with a response like that. It started out very responsive but hung after I clicked on Discussion Index and tried the link for Google Summer of Code link. Tried backing out to a couple of pages but links hang.

It's the way a good technical discussion forum should be but if used by typical users with all the image overhead they bring with them and the hangups of typical links to ad sites it would be slowed down like the rest of them.

t's too bad that Delphi didn't win out. It was a much better language/environment that VB6.

Microsoft, as is their history, determined that by destroying Borland in making the Delphi team an offer they couldn't refuse. C# was created by them.

Thanks for the insight from your posts. I thought the description of your requirements and thinking were very reasonable. Good luck on filling out your team and on a successful project.