I approve of this post. Education is the solution not government induced force.

The American Dream is to start out poor, but have equal opportunity to make a good business. In other words , be able to create the most efficient processes in order to satisfy a need by organizing and processing resources into a product with minimal government interference. This is the American Dream. The processes are dependent on having people working peacefully together, each motivated by furthering his own goals. Goals of making a better life for himself.

If people have maximum freedom , they are able to create the most efficient and wealth generating processes. Where everyone benefits, thus raising the standard of living for everyone involved.

It is reasoning like this that have brought on this economic downturn. It's called keynesianism, and its just wrong. Because governments always waste the money away in inefficient programs which often could not sustain itself without the government stimulus, since it's not based on any real need in the people and thus does not bring in an economic surplus which again just drags the economy down by the waste of resources.

Who would you rather have spend a $1000 billion bucks , the government or the private sector?

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/lheal/keynesian-economics-still-failing-after-all-these

Maybe if one analysed the root cause of the threats, and worked on those instead? Like the killings of middle eastern people in order to get their oil, or started thinking about how the central bank distorts the marked, making the prices go up with the consequence of people getting poor and angry. One would not feel the need to spy on everyone?

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Lawyer from The Rutherford Institute talks about the case on Alex Jones Show.

Psychiatrist Threatens & Terrorizes Marine Over 9/11 Facebook Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8XuQWsXsZo&feature=g-all-u

Talks about that Civil liberties in the US is getting attacked, and that Veterans are getting targeted by government harassment.

"The Rutherford Institute is a non-profit organization based in Charlottesville, Virginia dedicated to the defense of civil liberties and human rights. The organization was founded by its current president, John W. Whitehead, in 1982.[1] The Rutherford Institute offers free legal services to those who have had their rights threatened or violated. The Rutherford Institute has a network of affiliate attorneys across the United States and funds its efforts through donations. In addition to its offer of legal services, the organization offers free educational materials for those interested in the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherford_Institute

Another ones gain, is some other ones loss. Person A get 2+ in salary. Person B gets -2 in his balance. Where person B could have used the -2 resources to grow his business. (To create more jobs) Maybe person A used his +2 to buy something from Person B. But that just leaves them in total of 0.

So another bad thing about tariffs; they force money away from the competitive business to the uncompetitive. Also you risk other countries to put tariffs on our own goods, which might cost you further jobs.

The goods get more expensive for the people in the country. So they have to spend more money. Money they could have spent on something else. The tax goes back to society (through less efficient government programs) . What tips the scale is the dead-weight loss which is the value of wasted resources devoted to expanded domestic consumption and expenditures devoted to less desired substitutes brought about by the tariff.[1].

[1] http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_deadweight_loss_of_a_tariff

Or in other words

"If we look at the national market graph, we can see why these are deadweight losses. The consumption effect of the tariff is the loss of consumer surplus for those consumers who are squeezed out of the market because the tariff "artificially" raises the domestic price, even though foreigners remain willing to sell products to the importing country at the lower world price. The production effect of the tariff is the loss from using high-cost domestic production to replace lower-cost imports (available to the country at the unchanged world price). The high production cost is shown by the height of the supply curve, for each of the extra units produced because of the tariff."

http://www.wright.edu/~tdung/Chapter7_Pugel.htm

In short, poor people are left out , due to the higher price.
Extra resources are wasted due to higher production costs. Which could have been spend on other activities.

Teacher of Economics explains how tariffs work, and how it might backfire on the country which imposes it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSQTbd2iJtY

To sum up, tariffs make the economy, which imposes it, loose money in total.

I agree that we need laws about murder, and having a police to sort things out. To be the guardians of peace.

It was just the phrasing in the grandparent post about police preventing murder.
Some make the connection that you don't need guns, because the police are there to protect you. And then making it a point when they try pass laws to outlaw/restrict guns.

Guns are power, and power should be distributed among the people. Same with money. It is power and should be distributed among the people . Only today money is centralized, by having the central bank decide the value of it. (through money creation, and interest) . It people had gold and silver in their bank, no one central bank could have the power to decide the value of your own money.

My argument about taxation, is based on the same rationale. Taxation is money, money centralized, or power centralized. Power that is going to me misused either by ignorance or malice. So in order to maximize the spread of power to the people. Taxation should be at a minimum.

With distribution comes balance, and self correction. But since our societies are not built upon distribution of power, you get unbalance, and a system unable to self correct. (eg. interest rate at 0-1%, loads of unemployment)

And I think that is an really important point most people forget about, and/or maybe fail to understand. The merits of real power distributed (gold/silver money, guns).

Forcing another person out of the country you are both born in because you want to spend his/her money in a certain way is not right. Having to move away because you don't want to be taken from, is not right. No one is duty bound to each other because they are born in the same country (geographic area).

When you say they are. You only put them up against each other, and it leads to violence. (People all over Europe rioting because they where promised other peoples money, and they don't get it.)

If you want a community where people chip in on the larger expenses, you have to form one yourself (or join one). A community where people can join freely. County and community are different. Because a community does not have to be linked to a geographic area. A county is. And it engulfs people arbitrarily.

Okay, I stand corrected to:
Police can seldom prevent murder. Often they can only enforce laws which are there to discourage people from doing murder.

I would trust a gun more. It can be close at hand, when the police often is 20+ min away. A gun is an true enforcer. It is true teeth if you need to bite in order to defend yourself.

Yes, it would be nice if those tax money actually went to something more useful than wars. Only that is the problem. Isn't it? How do you hinder the states people being bought out, or threatened by a third party go give more resources to the third party? Who is watching the watchers?

I don't trust a little group of people with allot of tax money. Forcefully gathered. They will give special favours to the people closet to them.

Wouldn't it be nice if you yourself could decide where your own money went?
If we took away taxation, It would probably end corruption, the missallocation of money to the war machine.
And we would get better schools, daycares, hospitals due to the competition, because people would decide for them self which institution deserved their support (money). True voting. A true democracy. Where the good institutions get more resources, and the poor ones get less.

What makes you believe it is a fake one?

What do they say that is illogical ? I would say that everything they say is based on logic.

If you don't find human life sacred , or want to impose duties on you fellow man by coercion then yes. Their logic does not make sense.

Brown people being forced to work for no pay? End slavery! YES!

All of those things are on the same scale as slavery.
The FED is slavery.
Incometax is slavery.
Killing tons of people in Afghanistan is worse than slavery.
Social security is slavery.

The modern world isn't doing so well, when it comes to governments. Its due to those things. And we need to end them.

The economy is made up by people. People do certain things under certain conditions. Which you can predict using logic. Like having an interest rate at 1% , what does that do with savings? Do you need savings to grow businesses? Where does the jobs come from? The government? Where does the government gets it's money from ?