Under GPL v2 thats how it works. GPL v3 became political with the anti tivo stuff which is why you cant get GPL v3 stuff on a iPhone. Lets go back to GPL v2 so we can all live happy together. Programmers who don't give a shit about end users and end users who doing give a shit about programmers :)

Im a End user and I cant use open source software on my preferred device despite the fact the code is accessible and free for all to see. Is the point of the GPL to protect and share knowledge (code) or to force every one to operate under Richard Stallmans vision. GPL v3 is political. GPLv2 was about the code.

A programming friends comment on the subject, the truth comes out. "I don't give two shits about users, I care about other developers who use and contribute to my code. No user is going to contribute anything except support requests. I'm not interested in supporting freeloaders, I'm interested in protecting the freedoms of other programmers." So maybe this is why programmers that support GPL v3 don't like Apple, because Apple cares about the end users while programmers don't give a rats ass off of the free loaders. For the first time in my life im going to be thankful we have Microsoft and Apple because a world under the control of people with these attitudes would be horrible. At least some one is looking out for the users.

YES and GPL v2 was good for this. That was the point was access to the code so the code was free to all. GPL v3 takes it further and because of distribution methods even if the code is free for all to use, its not compatible now with a lot of stuff.

Ya but some one else can take the same code make something that competes with the non free derivative and thus give users a choice, do i want to use the non free derivative or the free derivative.

Isn't it up to those end users to choose if they want to be restricted by said company or can choose to use alternatives of the same code that isn't restrictive. Leave it up to the end user to choose being restricted or not.

you said it, "exception" that is the problem. Period.

Yup, I want to use open source software on my iPhone but the GPLv3 prevents it so my choices are to dump my preferred device or drop the open source software. Dropping the open source software was easy.

GPL v3 anti-TIVO-ization clause was the last nail in the coffin for me as a end user to. I avoid GPL v3 software as a end user because its Richard Stallmans political tool. Its not about freedoms any more like GPL v2

I think the GPL v3 is wrong and will vote with my pocket book against it by continuing to purchase non GPL v3 Infected software including Apple.

Yup and the harder stance in GPL v3 over GPL v2 means lots of regular folks will lose the exposure to open source software. GPL v3 will be the death of open source on anything but Linux unless its using a different licence like BSD.

GPL v3 affects purchaser's rights just as badly as anything else when users of preferred devices cant use GPL v3 software over distribution methods. My right to the software is stopped by the GPL v3 thus im either forced to give up my preferred platform or give up the open source software. I can tell you right now the open source software was the easiest thing for me to dump.

THE MUSIC IS OVER PRICED I AM NOT PAYING $20.00 FOR A SINGLE CD. I will pay a max of $10.00 period! I would prefer CDs to cost $7.00 which would fall under the impulse buy price range. I have over 300 dvds all bought because they where 5 and 10 bucks. Impulse buys. When you start getting to $20.00 a purchase you evaluate its worth and realize its not worth it. They are killing themselves and blaming everything around them.

I wouldn't call it a improvement from GPL2 and GPL3, if anything it takes away rights of users who want to use GPL software and now can't. Its why I can't support GPL in anyway any more and hope it dies a short death.

I think this issue will cause more damage to the internet community then any one realized. Its going to cause a major split between the Free source hard line fanatics (which I think should all be rounded up and shoot) and the rest of us who still grasp common sense and can live in a world with both free and non free recognizing there is a place for both. Theora is clearly crappy in every way and the only thing to support it on is that it MAYBE is free which its most likely not. Hard line fanatics don't give a dam about how crappy it is except that its free. The rest of us will argue to the bitter end how its not wanted or needed. This could be the tipping point that really creates a split between the internet community as a whole.