Comment Re:Im still wondering... (Score 1) 578
and at what % of people who are not actually entering the country does this stop being a rationally acceptable excuse?
As someone learning web development, I am sick and tired of supporting old versions of IE on **** and it would just die already if people stopped supporting it.
LOL...the more things change....
Marketing assumes that the marketer has a vested interest in molding the marketees perception to their own. The actual facts are somewhat to completely academic.
Education starts with the facts and in a perfect world avoids bias.
Marketing reps for drug manufacturers are educators only what their product actually factually beneficial. When that becomes tenuous, their bread is still buttered on the side of their employers. the same goes for TV advertising.
In short, Education is incidental in marketing.
I believe the following actually fits in with an aspect of the parent post, it does appear parent is making the case that Leonardo's scrap suffers from Celebrity over talent. God knows that can be and often is rampant to absurdity...and while I agree with the majority of sentiment here, I wish to make two addenda.
Leonardo was more than a painter. He is well established as a multi-disciplined master, and a true genius. The quintessential renaissance man.
Few artists scribbles have provided such insight into the very thinking and process of said genius.
[shrug]...A scrap of a sketch by Leonardo often really [i]is[/i] a treasure in it's own right.
Think about this seriously, don't try and play Internet Toughguy and say "Of course I'd do it! Fuck da' police!" Would you really? Or would you act in your own interests?
Or more to the point, act in your children's best interest, which come to think of it is probably what you should have been acting in in the first place
It's not a zero sum game
Bankers may earn contempt without making any behavior that attacks them golden.
actually yes, really
There are several choices involved that are all on the watcher. The first being to get educated and lead to discern when addressed by advertising. Some where in there is the ability to choose not to watch or read channels or magazines that go too far for your sensibilities.
were we should be applying community influence is in education, both arming us against advertising of all types and in our ability to choose healthy foods and exercise activities. that of course is a short list.
The monk says: "You are rightly upset that you could not stay calm. It is important to not lose ones temper and stay in the moment, and hatred is a bad motivation. So next time, if he acts up again, remain calm and maintain your inner peace. And hit him over the head again, as apparently that is the language he understands."
Love it! Thanks. Great way to start the day.
Could be Tom, could be.
I have always felt that we're going to get a bit dirty here. Certainly the 60's the tail end of which I had a ringside seat was anything but pure in the methods that rolled into the great inertia. The Weather underground. The Pathers. Malcom. Hell, I was at Altamont and I can assure you it was one sorry mess. and Kennedy and King where not perfect human beings. It's just that their actions and ideals where far more important than any human flaws.
that's not the case with Anon for me. They are in it for the wrong reasons as a very general statement.
I think where we may differ, at least by degree is with regard to how much of the warts get a free pass and a hearty pat on the back. No myths. No false prophets. And BS gets called out. No free pass on fundamental flaws in motivation and execution just because feathers get ruffled on a bureaucratic/system in disparate need of overhaul. We need change of a higher order....but I won't pass on change of an incremental nature in the right direction, I just won't call it holy and righteous.
Appreciate the good discussion brother!
But this? JavaScript requires the teaching of an environment and pre-existing objects like DOM that have nothing to do with the above goals and will certainly diminish the natural intuitive development of the appropriate concepts involved with programming. They are not learning how to translate their imagination into instructions as a general practice; they are learning how to manipulate specific pre-determined objects outside the scope of theoretical concerns. This is bad for them. This will limit them.
As an aside, let's face it, this is motivated by business. 1) JavaScript will be a heavily used language in the immediate future, 2) Khan prepares students to use JavaScript, 3) Khan's students are equipped with business-world skills and succeed, 4) Khan claims statistics reflect it competes well in the education market place, 5) Khan gets money.
Meanwhile Khan's students have to learn the basics of programming the hard way. Like a GED student picking up calculus at age 35 struggles with it, so will those students.
OK first, there are several modalities to learning programming via JavaScript that are console based. Eloquent JavaScript ( collectedcurios.com ) being one example. So if the markup/DOM aspect of things offends you, it can be sidestepped. Would seem to toss a lot of goodness out with the bathwater to me..but hey, if you feel the need for that form of decoupled purity, there it is.
I for one would argue that your "bad" is a fundamental good in the end for those interested in Web programming specifically, allowing for crossover conversations about web related topics. But also, programming is not really an ivory tower activity. There must be some I/O interaction to have some effect on the world.
Also, the whole DOM/Markup aspect can be mostly (or even completely) handed to them. So I don't see this as an issue at all really.
Finally any school that doesn't take into account that their students will want/need/use their skills in the real world is
I taught a class of adults beginning programming through JavaScript and the vast majority did anything but struggle thank you....the only problem I see is that I have yet to find a text that doesn't blow in some major fashion.
Perhaps to you. Also you might wish to investigate who Guy Faulks actually was, who he associated with, what his "ideals" where and what theat whole plan would have resulted in.
I have. But at this point, it doesn't matter. He has become a symbol and his original message has long since become irrelevant.
While I get your point, I would say a symbol based on a very deep fallacy...that's not a good way to start, and I would say that's not at all irrelevant. It might be to the people who worship the caricature (which in and of itself is half the point I'm making), but to me it also shows how myopic and infused with 'form over substance' that particular movement can mostly be.
And there are a hell of a lot more people on the internet working toward change that have absolutely no interest in the methods of anon let alone participate or support them than are just being connected via the web.
Again, you are right but real life is bigger and more complicated.
For the past 20 years or so, those of us who had an interest in civil rights in the Internet sphere had been doing much fighting against windmills. I used to work with the EFF, tried to found a EFF Europe, got into a few lawsuits, even gained a little bit of publicity. I also watched how the lobbyists and corrupt politicians steamrolled over us without a second thought because we were few and couldn't compete in the bribery. I've heard the tales from the other folks about how the EFF once tried to enter the lobby circus in Washington DC and the only thing it got them was burning out their own people.
You can't say I didn't try. And I still believe in the EFF et al. - but I also think they don't have the resources nor abilities to mobilize masses of people and on their own they wouldn't have been able to put a stop on ACTA.
Anonymous - for whatever reasons of coolness and movie cliches - reach people and get newspaper and TV news coverage. When's the last time you've seen the EFF mentioned in the evening news?
We definitely need both. Someone who can mobilize people to go on the street and give the TV news the footage they want to put your issue into the evening news, and someone who fights in the courtrooms and can provide expert talks to the news.
Good for you (heartfelt). Bob knows we need activism and folks working to change the system and try to make this a better place for all concerned.
That said, Paris Hilton got a lot of media coverage too. not sure that's worth anything on it's face without substance. And King got covered by the media plenty. Principled effective action can take place in the public eye, but takes talent and sacrifice most often. Above all it benefits from being couched in authenticity. Not only in the symbology, but in the motivation for the actions. People smell the bullshit. You may be running in circles where anon cache is high, but i can assure you that is limited and I work in deep nerdom.
The vein these guys tweak is mostly an immature one by my way of thinking. I'd prefer a less self centered and self aggrandizing hypocritical vigilante process, sexy or not.
Many actions limit the freedoms of legally operating web presences. Yet they espouse freedom of speech. That's hypocrisy to my mind.
And I can't tell you how often I've read someone claiming that anon gets the credit for the occupy movement. How many ways is a statement like that telling?
I have no doubt there are good people involved but they sure must be the minority, because the actions and statements are often more akin to a child with a gun, or action bend on proving they have an enormous e-penis than mature action to make a better world. The later seems more like cover to fuck with people who have offended them or behaved contrary to their dictates or to moon authority (not that mooning authority every now and again isn't a good move mind you, just don't sell it to me as mythical virtue in the name of all that is good please). That in turn smells more like bullying to me (bottom rail on top perhaps?)
I understand both that there are benefits to some of their behavior and that creating movement in a world that is so deeply fucked up takes action that isn't always clean, so I acknowledge that we can't pick and choose perfect solutions with so many different people and so many different motivations. Breaking eggs and all (sad). But i'll save my cheers and adulation for people ringing doorbells for gay marriage, and setting up websites to help send messages to congress on SOPA...and I'll look for the next true revolutionary. Someone like King just to name one, who placed the virtue of the matter out on the street non-violently and without bullying or self-aggrandizement.
The real trick is that in the internet age, we conglomerate so naturally. Thus we are moving away from the single individual leader. Eygpt may have a long way to go as well, but boy...now THAT was an internet action!
UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn
