They get indicted.

and now you understand why the government bailed out GM.

Could this have anything to do with it?

aEN

you're missing the point. i'm saying we're willing to go to cheap labor to make an extra $1.20 per ipad. to answer the OP's question, we're obviously after profit otherwise we'd make electronics here in the states to boost our economy without needing to resort to ACTA

Considering it took deaths at Apple's iPhone manufacturing plant to get a 20% pay raise that caused a 0.7% increase in cost of making the iPad, I would have to answer your question: profits.

son, I was in university 10 years ago using my laptop in class. it's great for taking notes, though i am more jealous of kids nowadays because they have tablets and ipads. how i would have killed for that instead of using a wacom tablet and a laptop....

it was also to disguise the fact that i was writing video games in my intro to computer architecture classes

Sounds like a rookie mistake.

Mod parent up!

You're ignoring the good things President Obama has done:

        * Gitmo closed
        * Iraq War ended
        * Afghan War ended
        * Patriot Act is gone
        * Full employment
        * Deficit reduced
        * End of partisan politics
        * No lobbyists in his administration
        * Fast action on Oil Spill

you know, back in 94 you could have said "there are no other phone companies you can switch to?" and the answer to that would have been yes. and yes, while there were others, they cost 200x more because of ma bell's monopoly. ma bell said we know it costs $X to do this, so we'll just price it at $X-[minimal loss to ma bell]. no other company could compete, ma bell gets more customers.

just because there is a sliver of competition doesn't mean you can't monopolize an industry. see microsoft. see intel. see every fucking broadband company that's not cable. now, see apple. i don't understand how you people fail to miss the problem here. when you can use your market size to control the competition, you have a monopoly. period. apple has a huge chunk and they are dictating the control over the competition.

not to mention, who the fuck cares what platform i'm developing for, the fact of the matter is now I know I cannot create my own python-to-iphoneapp compiler because apple won't allow it. read that again, i cannot compete with apple's development products because their market size allows them to dictate what happens to their competitors. this has antitrust written all over it

ps ipad and ipod touch are not smartphones. you shouldn't lump them together only when it suits you. if you want to consider them smartphones, then apple has a sizable advantage over the smartphone market. if you don't consider them smartphones, then just the ipad and ipod touch ALONE crush the pda/tablet market. how is this not a monopoly again?

Because you are obviously just trolling me, I have decided no more quotes for you.

All of my developers that use Flash are proficient in Flash. It takes time to get developers up to speed on another platform. This costs money. It takes time to hire/fire developers. This costs money. OR, I buy Flash CS5 (btw one seat is still cheaper than one mac, vis-a-vis) and spend less money OVERALL. You said it yourself:

So allow me to clarify your own statement for you. You want to maximize your profit while minimizing expenses. So again, flash would be cheaper for me, right now, than going the full-blown mac route. You can try to argue this but I did the numbers and, assuming we don't make a blockbuster app, the Flash mini-step route would have ended up saving us money in the long run and smoothing costs over an extended period. Which, for my employees, means better bonuses for them.

As for my numbers... You can ignore the giant elephant in the room and not calculate developer time, not calculate recurring costs, etc. But as a businessman, i ask WHY? You want to know every single penny you're spending. I'm trying to maximize my dollars, so I should track where all of my dollars I'm spending is going correct? Not to mention the personal investment I have since this company was funded with MY money and all profits come back to ME.

However all I am doing for you is explaining how Apple's monopoly affects me. Again. Apple requires ME to purchase THEIR development products to develop on THEIR hardware EVEN WHEN a THIRD PARTY has created development products. But then again according to your logic, it's perfectly fine for your cable company to force you to buy their dvr to tape tv shows even when a third party has created dvr's which do the same thing for less.

Game, Set, Match.
An Educated Negro

ipod touch and ipad.

There are many smart phones I can develop for. Now are you saying that it is OK that i have to limit my market just to phones? Because i can't develop for apple's non-smartphone platforms when I am forced to use apple's hardware and software for development even after a competitor has released software for development on apple's hardware. What?

Let's do this

And you have assumed I am the only developer. And you have assumed all of my developers are proficient with xcode/objective-c/mac os x. And you have assumed no other costs involved with purchasing new hardware. So I will now assume you have no clue about the business side of development (or business in general).

You must use apple, apple, and apple only. If you choose to use anything but apple, you cannot use apple. So in order to develop anything useful for apple, i MUST fork over more money to apple. What's wrong with this paragraph.

Your statistics are void because they are about smartphones and they were compiled before the ipad was released. Care to provide a different set of statistics to further prove my point?

:-)

Uh yes you are. As an independent developer I have to spend more money to develop for the iphone since I must use a Mac and I must use Snow Leopard. Adobe allowed me to skirt this requirement by using Flash, which has a significantly lower starting cost. Lower starting cost = entry to market = lower out of pocket funding for iphone development. Apple says we don't want Flash to create binaries for our hardware, so I cannot develop for the iphone. Sure I can use flash and create some apps, but what good are they to my business? What if it weren't Adobe that created this product, but a startup? They don't have the funds to start a legal fight, nor could they survive apple's change in terms of services. That, sir, is a monopoly. Apple has a monopoly on the market... one can only hope that this paves the way to split Apple into two companies (ala Microsoft.eu). It won't happen, but it feels good to dream.