Yea... the same racist who lead protests against the police (and got the disciplined) for kicking a black homeless guy.

And the same racist who helped underprivileged black kids.

And the same racist who called 911 to tell them what was going on right before he shot someone. Real bright, hunting people to kill them but calling the police in right before you shoot them.

I rarely call anyone an ignorant moron. In fact, I may have never done so.

But you-- are an ignorant moron.

Go read the testimony. Then... you'll just be moron.

No because deedee testified that she lied on her statement on the stand and two of the other witnesses admitted under cross examination that they had changed their story between when they made statements and the testimony they were giving. And one of the witnesses was contradicting the live 911 call and hard physical evidence (saying she heard Zim shoot Martin three times from behind) (martin was shot 1 time from the front- there were not shots on the 911 call she was on).

Meanwhile Mr Good's statement taken the night of the shooting and testifying on the stand were the same.

Also, Mr. Good was very close to the incident (it was apparently right out side his house).

Also Mr. Good had no incentive to lie the night of the shooting.

Also Mr. Good was an EYE witness- not an "EAR" witness. He saw the person "in the black hoodie" on top of and beating the person in the "red sweatshirt" in a "ground and pound" fashion.

It's clear to me you are not listening to the testimony of the case or you would know how terrible the other witnesses are proving to be for the state.

Almost every state witness has either turned out to think Zim was a polite, great guy or was caught lying or exaggerating or changing their story right on the stand by the defense attorney on cross.

I've been a juror three times. I could not convict Zim on 2nd degree murder. I have a reasonable doubt.

In fact, after the testimony, it's much stronger than doubt about 2nd degree murder and I'm pretty convinced it was a good self defense shooting and if he hadn't shot Martin, we would have been reading about a hunt for a person in a black hoodie who beat a neighborhood watch guy to death or shot him to death with his own gun.

Correct.

However, I've been a juror multiple times and you don't have to have evidence.
In 2 of my 3 juror trials, one or more people lied and we had to decide who was telling the truth.

You asked if I thought zimmerman was telling the truth when he said that martin said those things and I said that i don't. If I were on the juror, I would not believe martin said those things to Zimmerman. As a juror, I don't NEED evidence to decide someone is lying under oath. They look at the person testifying and make a gut check and a comparison of the testimony to the hard facts (video, 911 call, physical locations).

Martin was an experienced fighter (there is video evidence for that).
And an eye witness (mr good) saw Martin at extremely short range on top of Zim and "raining" blows down on Zim MMF "Ground and pound" style. Mr Good's statement and testimony match. I just it as a result. He has no incentive to lie and certainly didn't the night of the shooting.

As a juror, I don't have to justify shooting Martin for beating Zimmerman. All I have to do is have a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed 2nd degree murder. And I do. So I would vote not guilty.

However, Any hit to the face (not just a "King hit") can be instantly fatal. If someone is hitting you in the face, they can kill you each time they hit you in several places on the face (either temple and the nose-- plus very likely to shatter your the fragile bones around your eyes, break your jaw, etc.) There was substantial damage to Zimmerman's face (including what looked like a broken nose) and the only damage Martin had were a couple scrapes on one finger.

Given that Martin had ample time to get away (close to three minutes) and the calm language Zimmerman was using on the 911 call- it seems like Martin came back in the mood to confront Zim for following Martin.

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Anyway, i think we are in violent agreement that Zimmerman is not guilty of 2nd degree murder of Martin.

"Two possibilities exist -- either we are alone in the universe or we are not. I am unsure which is more terrifying."

They seem implausible to me then and now. Some of it sounded like something out of a cheap dime store novel. I couldn't see martin making the leap to killing someone because they were carrying a gun to I could see him beating someone like he was observed doing.

Look up "King hit" and you can see how easy it is to kill or severely damage someone with one blow.

Yeah, probably.

I'm not American. It's not the only country in the world with a Navy.

My land line used to be a marine repair company. Every now and then I'd get super long detailed messages about nautical problems. Usually I'd pass them on to the company.