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Comment Re:No. (Score 1) 1058

Install a charger in your garage. A dryer plug will provide enough energy to charge to full overnight. When you get up in the morning, your car is charged.

Barring that, imagine your work parking lot has a charger. Plug your car in when you get to work, and it is charged when you leave. No trips to the gas station necessary.

If you are traveling, you can use the Superchargers. 20 minutes to 50% and 40 minutes to 80%. That is enough time for a nice coffee/bathroom break on a long trip.

Comment Re:Tech changes, costs remain the same! (Score 1) 1058

Who will pay for all the charging stations that will have to be built?

I already pay for generation when I pay $0.15 per kWh. Maybe the rates will go up a bit, but not that much. As for charging stations, the best solution is to install a dryer plug in your garage...cost will be fairly low for most people. The charging box for a Tesla is on the order of $500.

Who will pay for all the charging stations that will have to be built? What about replacing the EV's batteries every 1000 charges?

You did notice that I said the tested battery capacity was 92% after 1200 cycles? If your range was 200 miles per charge (which is lower than the actual number), then your 1000 charges would allow you to drive 200000 miles. How many of us actually keep a car that long? The battery will last as long as the car. It seems to me that you are writing to confuse casual readers, rather than understanding reality.

Comment Re:No. (Score 1) 1058

Very few things change that quickly.

I remember very clearly reading a printed pamphlet in 1993 describing the invention of hypertext and the NCSA Mosaic web browser. There was no World Wide Web before that. There was just Gopher and other file browsing protocols. The idea of clicking a word in a document to get to another document blew my mind. Now I have fibre optic internet to my condo and I can buy most anything I want from my phone. The technological world can change VERY quickly.

Comment Re:No. (Score 1) 1058

Is your car moving 24 hours a day? If not, why not charge it where it is parked, be it at home in the garage, or at work in the parking lot. The lack of "5 minute charging" is completely irrelevant for people who charge their cars in their home garage. You get up in the morning and your car is charged. Just like your phone.

Comment Re:No. (Score 1) 1058

Charging overnight is when demand is normally low. One just needs to run the power plants longer. In the long run, solar energy with battery storage will have to pick up some of the slack. Cars charging during the day could be charged in part by solar generated electricity. The cars themselves could become a primary means of energy storage.

Comment Re:No. (Score 1) 1058

Most of the charging infrastructure has already been installed. It's called "the electrical grid". In your house, or even in your condo, all you need is a dryer plug (NEMA 14–50) to charge your car overnight. The charger is on the order of $500. When building new condos, the cost of installing plugs for some of the parking spots will not be prohibitive.

Comment Re:No. (Score 1) 1058

Well, the price of the Tesla Model 3 starts at $35000, which puts it in the price range of a BMW 3 series. That is the market they are initially going for. Over time, as more electric cars are manufactured, they will enter the used market. That will lead to lower prices for the rest of us. Also, if these cars actually become self-driving, and if regulations adapt to this, you may be able to send your car to a charger by itself. I'll believe that when I see it, but I've learned from experience not to discount Elon Musk's promises. Most of what he promises does actually come true, although the time scales are sometimes somewhat longer than initially stated.

Comment Re:No. (Score 1) 1058

Well, our gas prices are $1.31/L or so, which is somewhat expensive. However our electricity rates here lower than I mentioned. We pay about $0.086/kWh for the first tier, and $0.12/kWh for the second tier. This is a comparatively low rate, which is why I didn't quote it. However, it makes the relative cost savings for electricity even more pronounced than I mentioned. Admittedly not everyone's electrical savings will be so pronounced. However, I think that the costs per km for electricity will be cheaper than gasoline for everyone.

As for charging, if you have a house with a garage, it is a relatively minor task to get a dryer plug installed in the garage. With that, you can always have a charged car (and pre-heated) when you leave in the morning. Condominiums are a problem, but over time it will be a huge asset to have car charging installed in your parking garage. New condos will increasingly come with charging facilities. Governments could help with building codes, but I think the market will eventually pull us in the direction of more residential charging.

This is pretty speculative, but let's imagine that Tesla does achieve full self-driving. Let's assume that it is proven to be far safer than human drivers. Let's assume that regulations allow the cars to drive around without a human. If that becomes a reality, then what is to stop you from allowing your car to travel by itself to a charging station and charging itself? If that became possible, then you could realistically own an electric car, even if you didn't have charging facilities in your condo. I still think though that the best solution would be to have charging both where you live, and where you work. Luckily, building new charging facilities is not very expensive, as the electrical grid is already ubiquitous.

Comment Re:No. (Score 3, Interesting) 1058

I see a lot of people confidently asserting opinions here without actually giving arguments refuting much of anything in the source article. So let's do some basic cost calculations. Let's say that your electric car has a capacity of 85kWh. That capacity with the very heavy Tesla Model S will give you an approximate EPA range of 426km (265 miles). If your electricity cost was $0.15/kWh, that means the cost to charge your car fully from empty would be $0.15/kWh x 85kWh = $12.75. Since you would seldom fully empty your car battery fully, you would typically charge less than this, and it is likely the EPA range does not bring the battery to full empty. Even so, I will assume the price of driving the range of 426km would still be $12.75 (charged from the charger in your garage...fully charged when you get up). This gives an electric cost of $12.75/426km = $0.0299/km.

Now let us consider a gasoline car. I'll assume an optimistic 10L/100km. That would mean that driving 426km would use 426/100 x 10 = 42.6L of gasoline. Gasoline costs $1.32/L where I live, but let's give it a cheaper price of $1.11/L. This would give a cost for driving 426km of 42.6L x $1.11/L = $47.29. The cost per km would be $47.29/426km = $0.111/km. In other words gasoline costs $0.111/$0.0299 = 3.7 x more or 370% more than electric per km! Electric cars are simpler. The battery technology is constantly improving. There are Tesla electric cars that have driven 200000 miles with no battery replacement (the car linked to here did have its battery replaced at 200000 miles, but it actually had most of its range, and it is likely Tesla wanted to examine the battery). Recent improvements in battery technology promise batteries that will last the life of the car. The announcement referred to here was in reference to an increased voltage battery chemistry that showed 92% capacity remaining after 1200 charge cycles. If your car has a range of 230 miles per charge cycle, than that would allow the car 230 miles x 1200 = 276000 miles and still have 92% battery capacity! For most of us, that would be longer than the lifetime of a fossil fuel car.

The cost of the cells is already dropping precipitously. The trend shown over the last few years is going to continue. There is no such trend in gasoline cars. Costs are for fossil fuel cars are going up. Electric cars will appear at lower and lower points in the market, first in the used market, and later in the new car market. In the end, electric cars will be the only economical choice. It is simple physics and economics. You can deny it all you want, but in the end, physics will win. Steam won over horse transportation because it was cheaper and better. Gasoline won over steam power because it was cheaper and better. Electric will win over gasoline because it is cheaper and better.

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