Usually it's just quirks, or the IE6-flashback message "This site only tested in Chrome" or "This site works best in Chrome". But ... some are a bigger deal.
I recognize the irony, but here's one that doesn't work on Firefox: https://teams.microsoft.com/. (It won't do sound or video!)

It's not acrobatics. I simply don't think "free software" conveys anything useful to the general public — even the general tech public. Following it with "I mean free as in speech" every time doesn't help much either -- especially these days that needs its own extra explanation. Read this on Elon Musk and Twitter, for example. You might or might not agree with the thesis of that article -- but that's exactly the point. If you're lucky, maybe ten minutes later you're back to what you're trying to talk about.

People better understand the term "open source" -- they've probably heard of it, and it gives a better opening. You're right that it often has to be followed up with the benefits beyond code, but that's what I want to talk about anyway, not about the esoteric philosophy of "freedoms" or "software rights" or whatever. (Source: I talk to diverse groups of people about this stuff all the time. )

I can have those conversations. However, people tend to have widely disparate and strongly-held -- but not very well introspected! -- ideas of about the concepts of rights, freedoms, fairness, justice, and so on. It'd be helpful if people had something like this in their basic education, because without it there are going to be deep assumptions that end up with people talking past each other and. Sometimes fun, especially with a reasonably-sized group of people with good faith intention to understand each other better. But ... for a general tech interview? Nah.

Anyway, I do sometimes say "open source and free software" or "free and open-source software" for the right audience -- I think you'll find that in this interview, in fact. It's not like I'm allergic.

I can't argue with your experience, but that does kind of make me sad. Try it out, maybe?

For what it's worth, this whole thing came about because Lenovo came to us saying they have customer demand.

Oh, ha! That's what I get for posting in the middle of the night. I even noticed the typo in the original article. My only excuse is that I also think that 8GB is quite low.

Yeah, so.... I remember reading Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols articles in Byte Magazine and others back in the 1990s, when 8MB would have been amazing. He definitely knows the difference.

/me is not quite a grandpa but yells look-in-awe-at-my-slashdot-number have-some-respect to all y'all anonymous cowards

Lenovo is exploring whether an AMD offering is worth their time and effort. If you're a sincere potential customer, let them know.

The base model has only 8MB, which I agree is less than I'd want, but presents a budget option. You can upgrade to 16 (soldered). The P1 Gen 2 and P53 are on the way, and those allow higher memory configurations (and are user-upgradeable).

It actually *does* have a lot to do with Lenovo's input. They came to Red Hat's desktop team and said that they're getting demand they want to fill. They're working with their hardware suppliers for components to make sure all of those components work with Linux and get firmware updates via LVFS. They also very much wanted to make sure that the systems work with out-of-the-box Fedora Workstation with no custom kernel or special modifications.

The base price for the Linux system is cheaper. Looks like there is a specific Windows preconfigured model which is on deeper discount right now. I don't think you can get a 16GB Windows model cheaper than the Fedora model (at least not normally -- again, a specific model may have a sale price in te future at some point).

Yeah, pretty much my take too.

Thanks for attempting to engage in a constructive dialog. I came here to see if there were any useful comments, and, wow, all of the jokes about Slashdot going downhill from a decade ago are calling and want the future back.

And what's with these 8-digit user IDs? *shakes cane at sky*

Yum 4 is a frontend backed by DNF. Yum 3 is on its way out; not my area but I expect it will be maintained for the life of the RHEL versions that depend on it, but only for security updates and any very serious bugs.

I'm not sure what we'll do in Fedora with the DNF vs Yum 4 name.

Okay, I'll bite:

> RPM [...] Example: still uses mainly file-based dependencies

That's not true. It _can_ but primarily does not use file-based dependencies. I think, realistically, from a packaging perspective, you'll find places where both RPM and deb suck, and where they both have strengths — it's kind of half-a-dozen-of-one, six-of-the-other. From a user perspective, it barely ever matters even a little bit.

> Another example: executable scripts to initialize network interfaces.

I assume you mean the legacy ifup/ifdown scripts? The primary and default path is NetworkManager, instead. Or did you _want_ this done with shell scripts? Unclear from your post.

For whatever it's worth, Steam runs just fine on Fedora.

Not many people want to reload their OS every 6 months.

Supporting a release for an extended period of time is very expensive, both in terms of actual money but also in demands on volunteer time — and despite Red Hat sponsorship, Fedora is largely a volunteer project. We could choose to focus on a longer lifetime, but that would come at the expense of other areas (like bringing new tech to users quickly while still doing a decent amount of QA). So, instead, we've worked on making upgrades as painless as possible. You definitely don't need to reload your OS every six months — you can do an update, which in this release took me about 25 minutes, the first five-ten of which were downloading the needed packages while I kept working, and the rest could have happened while I went for coffee. Additionally, we test upgrades from not just the previous release, but one back, so if you want, you can take this half an hour once a year rather than every six months.

I mean, except for our deal with the Knights Templar to make systemd the one true init system of the new world order. That one, we did do, but it's triple-secret, so can only be revealed in Slashdot comments.