K7 Info 35
TBM writes "This is an article on the new K7 chipset from AMD. Pretty much all information that has been released to date and even rumors are included. Information on what mainboard manufacturers will be supporting the new slot-A and slot-B and which tier-1 OEMs will be selling K7 systems. A very useful read for anyone interested in a new system... "
Re:Whatever happened to 64 bits? (Score:1)
As for Genki, chill out... It's so close you can almost taste it. Barring nuclear war you should have it installed RSN.
Re:Whatever happened to 64 bits? (Score:1)
18 petabytes is the current maximum for BFS.
Roll on Genki...
Re:NT can handle files in the terabyte range (Score:1)
Re:Whatever happened to 64 bits? (Score:1)
Wasn't that the old DOS memory '640K will be enough for anybody' line?
Let's not worry about 'still' having 32-bitness yet... it's good to get the most out of things before moving on to new architectures, can you say 'backward compatible'?
Re:IA64? (Score:1)
You won't be able to buy one until after you got the full specs. Intel aren't stupid, they are funding gcc and by extension Linux development on IA64, and they will release all the docs before the hardware is on sale.
When will x86 kikk? (Score:1)
This must cost lots of money? Why not just go risc all the way? I mean more speed less cost.
Cars don't look like horsecariges anymore no do they?
tera, peta . . . either way it's BIG (Score:1)
So incredibly huge, the mind boggles. In 1999 there is probably NO practical use for such a file, but hey, it's cool to be able to brag about it.
Got Genki?
It's good, but... (Score:1)
Ah well, it's not like these K6's will break down anytime soon.
Top Secret!! AMD's marketing plan (Score:2)
2) Allow delivery date to slip
3) Finally deliver chip that doesn't meet expectations
4) Repeat
Re:Tom's Hardware talks about it too (Score:2)
Tom's Hardware talks about it too (Score:2)
In it, he says that so far the K7 is looking like a "clear winner" and that for once, its floating point performance beats Intel's. He does, however, also mention that AMD has strange practices when it comes to production, and says they need to step it up it they want the K7's performance to be timely.
Re:K7 facts in this report (Score:2)
The bit about the PLL is 100% true, for example -- it's just that for some stuff like this, I cannot reveal my sources.
I can't *believe* that I forgot to mention anything regarding SMP. I mean, that was just *wrong* of me! I'll have to update the page in full force, though it might take a bit. I do recall that there is a company making very high SMP (for x86) chipsets for K7, but I keep thinking it's Profusion (the folks who are doing similar stuff on Intel's platform).
The company making for EV-6 could conceivably make specialized 8-way K7 a possibility for 1999, though it all depends on market demand, of course.
Oh...I think their name might have been Poseidon.
Anyway, that page is far from finished. It just covered a bunch of stuff that I think were important at the time, such as the concern over cost, exactly why the floating point unit is so fantastic, who might be supporting the platform. I even ignored MHz, since I'd basically assumed since November that the K7 would be coming out at 600MHz. I mean, wasn't it obvious?
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AMD (Score:1)
Whatever happened to 64 bits? (Score:1)
K7 facts in this report (Score:2)
I'm not sure about the 500 MHz. I was pretty sure the first one would be a 550.
Also, concerning the "MHz" gap between the K6 and K7s: There WILL be a K6 550, so those of you with Super Socket 7 boards will not have to build up all new PCs (yet) to have an AMD with 550 Mhz speeds.
Another important factoid is that the K7 can be run in tandem....or more. At AMD they have a test machine with 4 K7s running NT. They only use 32MB of RAM in it to prove the lack of any sort of bottleneck in such a system. The x86 has come of age! Booo yeah.
Re:Whatever happened to 64 bits? (Score:1)
Re:Top Secret!! AMD's marketing plan (Score:1)
Re:Whatever happened to 64 bits? (Score:1)
Re:Don't believe it till you see it. (Score:1)
>>Well, they don't so you just have to live with it and I can sympathize with the point of view of the programmers. It is a lot of time and energy (and in bussiness those mean money) to add support for 3dnow to your game.
It can be simpler than that. I've not done too much x86 development, my area is with the PPC it should be as simple as clicking a checkbox in the IDE. Support 3dnow = yes.
It's the developer of the IDE who does the majority of the work in that area. The compiler and the linker can dynamicly adjust for the target CPU/environment. For example, metrowerks Codewarrior can be configured to optimize for a specific processor within the PowerPC family (601, 603, 604, and I'm sure G3 will be next).
All in all AMD's biggest shortcoming is and has been for the past few years with FPU performance, it's been abysmal. If (and that's a big IF) they can improve that with the K7 they just might be able to live up to their own hype.
LK
Re:Don't believe it till you see it. (Score:1)
Re:Don't believe it till you see it. (Score:1)
My only problem with AMD has been with the naming convention used with the K5 series. The "K5 PR-133" ran at 100 mhz, but they named it in such a way that people who didn't know better thought that it ran at 133mhz. They remedied this with the introduction of the K6 though. They K6 family is great, for half the price you can outperform an Intel chip. However the FPU performance is horribly lacking. My P2-300 seemed faster at FP math than my K62-450, the fast chips don't seem as overclockable as well. I tried taking my 450 up to 500 mhz, a markup of a mere 11 percent and it would cause windows protection errors. I took my P100 up to 133. The chip was stable running at 133% of it's intended speed.
All it all I think I made a good move by getting the K62 450.
For the record, if I won the lottery I'd probably get a quad PPro 200 system. "Can you say 15 second kernel compiles?"
LK
Re:It's good, but... (Score:1)
Re:Don't believe it till you see it. (Score:1)
Re:Top Secret!! AMD's marketing plan (Score:1)
MS makes money.
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Re:Don't believe it till you see it. (Score:1)
The K5PR-166 ran at 116 mhz. It was 66mhz bus with a 1.75 multiplier. Even though you set the jumpers on the MB to a 2.5 multiplyer the chip only ran at a 116 mhz core speed. Just as a 1.5 multiplier is the same as a 3.5, the 2.5 only does 1.75 on the K5PR-166.
Don't get me wrong, I like AMD. I just bought a K62-450 last week and I think it's sweet, but they better do a bang up job on the K7.
LK