User Friendly book from O'Reilly 48
Geoff Romer writes
"Illiad just announced a book deal for his User Friendly comic strip, and the publisher is none other than our good friends O'Reilly and Associates! Three cheers for both of them! Details are here. "
Congrats to both of them. It would be awesome to do an animal
cover of dust puppy ;)
the Cover (Score:1)
Linux is cool (Score:1)
I hope he got electronic rights (Score:1)
Re:Congrats to Iliad, but ... (Score:1)
He'll get my $. I want to give him incentive to keep working!
Razor Blue
Re:Now when will it REALLY come out? (Score:1)
Or the Qmail book....
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Donald Roeber
Re:Who cares? (Score:1)
Am I the only person in the world that finds no humor in this comic strip? I have never read a strip that even made me smile.
I'm with you
I remember from a few years back, a critic slagged off Ben Elton's stand-up comedy as being only funny to sycophantic lefties who'll laugh at the mere mention of Margaret Thatcher. I think they were wrong. But they'd be right if they had said that User Friendly is only funny to sycophantic Linux-heads who'll laugh at the mere mention of Microsoft.
Come on, it's just not that funny! If it wasn't aligned to your political beliefs, none of you would glance at a second strip!
(and the artwork is terrible, too)
(and and, for whoever said "at last a web comic is getting the respect of a publishing deal", Red Meat [redmeat.com] has two volumes in print, and is 100x funnier to boot!
Re:Congrats to Iliad, but ... (Score:1)
Re:It was tough enough before... (Score:1)
UF suddenly became alot less funny to me when I realized Illiads only source of inspiration was worn-out "geek" stereotypes.
That's great news! (Score:2)
Re:Congrats to Iliad, but ... (Score:1)
If he doesn't release a book at all: Pay.
If he releases one with old cartoons: Pay.
If he releases one with new cartoons: Pay.
If he does not release them on the web: Think twice.
In any case: Don't buy a book if you don't absolutley want UF on paper.
OS Bloom County (Score:1)
UF is Ok as comics go. Kind of middle of the pack with what I get in my home town paper (Citizen Dog, Doonsbury, Pirahna Club). But if your not into Linux et al it's probably almost never funny.
What I'd love is for Berke Breathed's old comic Bloom County to make a comeback. Bar none the funniest comic strip ever, especially in the early days. Maybe he can release rights to create new Bloom Country strips to anyone willing to do it for free? It'd be interesting to see if a group could put out a comic. Maybe impossible, but even I could produce one funny strip in say, I don't know, a years time.
Re:OS Bloom County (Score:1)
Of course your right. I suppose Opus and friends are so tied to Berke that it would never work. But if we did a real crappy job, maybe we could force him out of retirement. If he's alive that is. I haven't heard anything about him in years.
Re:New stuff? (Score:1)
But that bit about an O'Reilly "Dust Puppy" cover just cracked me up.
Illiad has had alot to do lately.. his updates seem to point to the fact that he's really under pressure. I hope he can still muster that creative energy of his and put together a kick-ass comic book. I'm sure he won't let us down. It will *have* to be original, it's gonna be userfriendly.. it's gotta rock.
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Re:Congrats to Iliad, but ... (Score:1)
> every day in newspapers and then compiled into a
> book? How is this any different from that?
the entire archive of UF is online, whereas with newspapers, you usually have to go searching somewhere for older strips...like a library with a big newspaper archive. and the ones like dilbert that do have webpages only keep like a month of old stuff online.
having the UF website is sorta like having a newspaper that has every old copy of a comic as well as the new one...
but like somebody else said, it'd be nice to have lying around for people to entertain themselves with when waiting for me (well, not too many people do that yet, but still =)
Who cares? (Score:1)
Every strip I read is an illustrated version of some computer joke, anecdote, urban legend or Dilbert cartoon that I've already read 10 times.
-harry
UF has gone downhill, try Sluggy Freelance (Score:1)
However, there is hope - Sluggy Freelance!
http://www.sluggy.com
A well-drawn comic that one can actually laugh at.
-lx
Now when will it REALLY come out? (Score:1)
at least once or twice more. This is an ORA book,
right?!?
Or maybe I'm just bitter that the MySQL book
isn't out yet. How can I play with Slash without
it? =)
-Augie
Re:I can see the booksellers now... (Score:1)
Congrats to Iliad, but ... (Score:2)
I do think it is great that the strip will be published by O'Reilly, but unless the comics are new, and not published on the web, I can't see why I would buy them. One of the things I really like about the online strip is that I can read them for free, and print out the ones I want to stick up in my cubicle
If they are _new_ comics, though, it is a different story!
Colophon? (Score:1)
-Snibor Eoj
Red Meat (Score:1)
However, Red Meat is not a web comic. It is a print based comic that happens to also be published on the web now. It's been around for quite a long time, in "alternative" newspapers. I know people who were enjoying Red Meat from before they'd ever heard of the Web.
-Snibor Eoj
I can see the booksellers now... (Score:1)
UF made me laugh a lot... (Score:1)
Although I have to admit UF isn't as funny as it used to be for me, also because I changed jobs and I'm not in tech support any more.
Re:It was tough enough before... (Score:1)
That's right - ORA - O'Reilly - that ultra-serious no-nonsense publisher of such hard-core *NIX books as "Smileys" and "Travelers' Tales: A Dog's World True Stories of Man's Best Friend on the Road"...
I suppose if User Friendly was some kind of a ranting political pamphlet you might have a point, but the damn thing is funny. Funny!
Get a sense of humor about your operating system and your productivity will increase.
paul
Re:It was tough enough before... (Score:1)
It's humor (or attempted humor, take your pick) comes from examining a particular sub-culture and attempting to find funny things in it. It's no different from Andy Cabb or Dilbert in that regard, and hardly qualifies as pandering. Most comics have a setting, and use "jokes" that derive from that setting, it's just how the comics work.
I can certainly accept not thinking it's funny, but to somehow think it's bad for Open Source software because it doesn't click for you, I disagree with that concept about any comic.
If people think the strip is funny and buy the book, maybe they'll even discover ORA and buy a "useful" book next...
paul
Re:It was tough enough before... (Score:1)
You don't know me---I have a sense of humor about my operating system. In fact, that's something which UF (I don't read it all that often but I've skimmed most of the archives) seems to lack. I don't see jokes about how great Linux is as being humor about my operating system. And anything anti-Linux in it is more like praise through faint criticism: 'Look, our obviously ignorant boss doesn't trust Linux!' 'We, the protagonists, are such Linux geeks that it interferes with our personal lives! but we're still cool!' This, compared with the virtual slander against Microsoft (obligatory disclaimer: I don't do Windows).. it makes Dilbert look anti-engineer by comparison.
Re:It was tough enough before... (Score:1)
oops.
:s/friendly/funny/
Re:It was tough enough before... (Score:1)
hold the phones there. i didn't say that at all, and i don't see how you could've rationally determined that from what i said. what i did say is that i don't personally like it and i don't see why it's now becoming synonymous with open source. i can certainly see how people -could- be turned away from the whole linux shebang by seeing it, by way of this comic strip, patting itself on the back (which is most definitely how the linux community (whatever that is) seems to the external observer reading UF, mark my words)... but i didn't say that. :)
another thing i pointed out is that it really -doesn't- try to find funny things in the linux community, other than how hilarious it is that linux and its followers are so damned much cooler than microsoft, etc. i guess what i'm saying is that i don't agree with a sense of fraternity being part of software, and UF is just a facet of this.
--neil
It was tough enough before... (Score:2)
Re:OS Bloom County (Score:1)
While I agree with your assessments of Bloom County, you've got to realize that it was Berke Breathed that made it funny. If some one else was writing them, it wouldn't be the same.
Of course, now I can't get visions of Opus/Linux jokes out of my head.
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UF is lame (Score:1)
Re:Who cares? (Score:1)
And as for published web-comics, how about both Sluggy Freelance [sluggy.com], and Kevin and Kell [herdthinners.com], comics I read daily. In fact, K&K has two volumes out (working on a third soon), and Sluggy is currently printing their second volume.
It's just that I'd like to see more and better UF; a book gives me that opportunity. And since it'll be sold primarily in bookstores, rather than online, I'll have the chance to look it over before I take it to the counter.
great, but... (Score:1)
OTOH, I'd much rather see O'Reilly publish a collection of Ask Mr. Protocol columns. I think they're funnier, and there's technical content in those articles as well. His column on VR had me rolling on the floor Check out another of his best on The Bazaar, The Agora, and Mr. P [expert.com].
Re:Congrats to Iliad, but ... (Score:1)
Ummm.... what about comics that are published every day in newspapers and then compiled into a book? How is this any different from that?
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
New stuff? (Score:3)
I realize that this is the first print book for UF and there'll be zillions of people that haven't seen any of them yet, but to those of us who have read the archive, it is like reprinting previously released stuff.
Re:Congrats to Iliad, but ... (Score:1)
Also, we have a habit of photo-copying dilbert and what-not strips and taping them to the boss's door when an appropriate situation comes up (boss does something similar to PHB) and I've often had a desire to find a UF but was too lazy to search through archives to find the one I want.
Re:Congrats to Iliad, but ... (Score:1)
I've often had a desire to find a UF but was too
lazy to search through archives to find the one I want.
*PLUG*
I have a list of UF comics with synopses at http://members.xoom.com/theran/ufidx.html
It isn't complete, but it should help you when searching.
Re:Congrats to Iliad, but ... (Score:1)
I've often had a desire to find a UF but was too
lazy to search through archives to find the one I want.
*PLUG*
I have a list of UF comics with synopses at http://members.xoom.com/theran/ufidx.html [xoom.com]
It isn't complete, but it should help you when searching.
hahahaha ...no joke!! (Score:1)
Congrats to Illiad (Score:2)
It is about time that the internet based comic strip got the recognition of a print deal. Illiad's work has a fresh humor about it that actually engages the sense of humor of informed people and the general populace.
May he sell a hundred thousand copies in the first week. Now, where can I put my order in for one?
--da telkitty
Calvin & Hobbes & Web (Score:1)
A comparison to Calvin & Hobbes brings up an interesting point. One of Watterson's [the cartoonist of Calvin & Hobbes] big problems was restling with those limitations and trying to push the newspapers to break free. UserFriendly [userfriendly.org], Sluggy Freelance [sluggy.com] (and Red Meat [redmeat.com], et other online comics) are made for the web, and yet they all stick to the traditional formats.
The great thing is that those compendium-type books were given names like 'The Essential Calvin and Hobbes' by their writer since they were clearly anthing but.
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engels leren. (Score:1)
The press release (Score:3)
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