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Binance To Suspend US Dollar Bank Transfers This Week (cnbc.com) 36

Binance, the world's largest cryptocurrency exchange, will suspend U.S. dollar deposits and withdrawals, the company said Monday, without providing a reason for the decision. CNBC reports: Binance US, a unit of the company that's regulated by the Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, said in a tweet that it's not affected by the suspension. Thus the move applies only to non-U.S. customers who transfer money to or from bank accounts in dollars. Data from Arkham Intelligence shows that following the announcement, there was a sharp spike in outflows from Binance's crypto wallets, as millions of dollar-pegged stablecoins such as tether and USDC flowed to rival exchanges or individual wallets.

Binance's net U.S. dollar outflow was over $172 million for the day, based on data from DefiLlama. That represents a tiny amount of money for a company that has $42.2 billion worth of crypto assets, according to Arkham. "We're still overwhelmingly net-positive on net deposits," the spokesperson said. "Outflows always tick up when prices start to level off following a bullish market swing like we saw last week as some users take profits." Bitcoin rose more than 38% in January, its best month since October 2021.

Regarding Monday's suspension, a Binance representative told CNBC in an email that "Binance.US has its own banking partners and does not have any issues." The main Binance exchange does not serve U.S. users. Binance said customers can still use other fiat currencies or payment methods to purchase crypto. For the small number affected, "we'll have a new partner to announce for those users in the next couple weeks," the spokesperson said.

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Binance To Suspend US Dollar Bank Transfers This Week

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  • by myowntrueself ( 607117 ) on Monday February 06, 2023 @09:33PM (#63271001)

    Does this mean Binance will stop the extremely intrusive KYC with its intense gathering of extremely detailed personally identifying information of non-US citizens, which I doubt they store particularly securely?
    Because, ostensibly, the reason the crypto exchanges do KYC is to appease US Federal authorities. Not at all in an effort to make themselves look more credible, like respectable financial institutions. Right?
    Binance won't even let you cancel and delete your account without you submitting to this process. Ie you start to sign up, get to the deep penetration of your personal and financial life, decide you don't want to go with Binance... but you can't log in to delete your account without it giving it to them... I wonder how many half set up accounts they have because of this? Inflating the numbers they can publish for Binance accounts much?

    • Hah. KYC is a scam to get/sell PII. We need regulations preventing data sales, especially KYC data sales. Coinbase doing this same scam.
    • Binance pulled out of the US market in 2018. Whatever the main exchange requires in the firm of KYC is not there to placate American authorities. They will not knowingly serve American customers.

  • Liquidity (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Richard_at_work ( 517087 ) on Monday February 06, 2023 @09:34PM (#63271003)

    Sure, it might have $42Billion in crypto assets, which makes $172million outflow seem like a “tiny amount”, but screw “crypto assets”, how much liquidity in US dollars does it have?

    Assume the crypto assets are worthless to anyone else, how much can Binance actually pay out before becoming insolvent?

    • how much can Binance actually pay out before becoming insolvent?

      If you are a currency exchange refusing to pay out in the main currency the majority of your customers use then, sorry, you are already effectively insolvent.

    • FTA:

      Binance’s net U.S. dollar outflow was over $172 million for the day, based on data from DefiLlama. That represents a tiny amount of money for a company that has $42.2 billion worth of crypto assets, according to Arkham.

      .... that could be all Bored Ape NFTs and animated JPEGs for all we know. "Crypto Assets" could literally be Monopoly money.

      • by DrXym ( 126579 )

        It is monopoly money. Even so called "stablecoin" cryptos don't hold the equivalent in USD. That's why every now and again one of them comes crashing down.

        The only reason they're used at all is it because it's an easy way to sidestep money laundering and other financial regs that transferring USD or setting up bank accounts might entail. At some point that will change.

        • The just hold your crypto not dollars unless you deposit dollars to buy crypto. You sell crypto to another person for dollars and withdraw those funds.
          From the comments it seems folks are misunderstamding what happens.
          If no one wants your crypto no dollars you keep crypto.

          • And do you think that crypto just stays there, completely ignored and untouched? No - the exchange is using the aggregate value of "assets under management" to secure loans and such for their own ongoing operations.

            A currency exchange doesn't stop exchanging currency because everything is awesome. You seem to be misunderstanding that they are stopping their core business for non-US customers right now: exchanging one currency into another. And why would they be doing that? Do you think it might be becau

          • by DrXym ( 126579 )

            I could go into business tomorrow selling a stablecoin. Let's call it CrapCoin. I say to everyone you can buy one CrapCoin in exchange for one dollar. So you give me 1000 dollars and I give you 1000 CrapCoins. When you want to redeem CrapCoin, I burn those CrapCoins and hand you back 1000 dollars via bank transfer or something. Simple. But that's assuming I just left your 1000 dollars in an account.

            That ain't how these things work. That $1000 went off to buy other securities or secure loans which hopefully

  • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Monday February 06, 2023 @10:01PM (#63271049)

    Nothing to see here [edgeforscholars.org]. Everything's fine.

  • by gosso920 ( 6330142 ) on Monday February 06, 2023 @10:03PM (#63271053)
    Suckers left holding the bag. Film at 11.
    • Don't worry, there's still plenty of scams to separate fools from their currency.

      On the small scale you've got stuff like "investing" in small bits of artwork...timeshares for Van Gogh but slightly less classy...and on the large scale you've got this carbon credit thing that they've been cooking up for the last 15 years or so.

      And you know...the water out of my tap costs a few cents a gallon...and that same water only slightly more filtered costs 1.29 a gallon at the store....so there's that too. Coffee and

    • by jdmark ( 928972 )
      Like who, Tom Brady? The biggest sucker in the entire world! Idiot!!! He deserved to have 650 million dollars pulled out from under him for his worthless greed filled gamble, what a pathetic sucker! Hey Tom Brady, this one is for you being the biggest idiot in the entire history of civilization to lose $650,000,000 to an obvious ponzi/pyramid scheme.
  • From his parents home SBF was like : All your crypto are belong to us!

  • by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @12:23AM (#63271295)

    FTA (emphasis added):
    Binance will suspend U.S. dollar withdrawals and deposits for international customers beginning Feb. 8, the company said.

    So US customers are unaffected, as are international customers using their native currency, this is just international customers using US dollars.

    This smells like some sort of regulatory issue, like the DOJ investigating them for not doing enough to stop money laundering [slashdot.org].

    I mean it will all still eventually end in tears, just not from this incident in particular.

    • I hope you are right but I don't share your confidence. From what I understand, converting BTC to USD is a pretty lucrative business but it carries risk. Most "crytpo processors" will give you cash quickly for your BTC. But this means they risk being stuck holding worthless crypto assets because an actual blockchain transaction (at a reasonable price) takes days or longer. The crypto processor essentially fronts the money. Sometimes they get lucky and they have one customer converting USD to BTC and an
    • Binance has no US customers. They banned Americans from their platform years ago. Binance.us is a a separate entity that essentially licensed the name.

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      That's not quite accurate. Binance said it's halting US dollar transfers. Its subsidiary, Binance US said it is unaffected. Binance US was founded because Binance is illegal in the US.

  • They'll stop you from withdrawing dollars, and from paying with dollars. I'm just curious, at this point of time, who would be mad enough to pay them dollars?
  • Ecuador has not only bought a lot of crypto, their official currency is the US dollar. I guess let's hope they aren't working with Binance?
  • by Duds ( 100634 ) <dudley.enterspace@org> on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @08:36AM (#63271921) Homepage Journal

    That represents a tiny amount of money for a company that has $42.2 billion worth of crypto assets

    So "nothing". How much do they have in actual cash when people try to claim back their totally real assets that are totally real?

  • Sounds like they can no longer borrow US dollars on leverage using their crypto "assets" as collateral, to cover withdrawal requests.

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