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Amazon Says It's Permanently Banned 600 Chinese Brands for Review Fraud (theverge.com) 146

An anonymous reader shares a report: Remember when gadget vendors Aukey, Mpow, RavPower, Vava, TaoTronics and Choetech started mysteriously disappearing from Amazon's online storefront, and it turned out Amazon had intentionally yanked them while vaguely gesturing to the sanctity of its user reviews? Turns out they were just the tip of the iceberg. Amazon has now permanently banned over 600 Chinese brands across 3,000 different seller accounts, the company confirms to The Verge.

Amazon says that's the grand tally after five months of its global crackdown, and it's no longer being shy about why: a spokesperson tells us these 600 brands were banned for knowingly, repeatedly and significantly violating Amazon's policies, especially the ones around review abuse. The South China Morning Post reported the numbers earlier, citing an interview with an Amazon Asia VP on state-owned television.

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Amazon Says It's Permanently Banned 600 Chinese Brands for Review Fraud

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  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:49AM (#61813611)

    Sadly all those banned from Amazon will be back tomorrow under different names, doing the same thing.

    Not sure what else can be done, but banning alone is not really solving the issue...

    • by Mark of the North ( 19760 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:51AM (#61813617)
      True, but it is very costly and time-consuming to build up trust in a brand, even while employing review fraud. This will hurt the owners of those brands.
      • concept. This basically doesn't exist in countries with 1+ billion people, the mindset there is someone new will come along to get scammed any minute anyway - so, the idea is to spend as little on overhead/maintenance as possible.

        Chinese people do not buy Chinese cars. Google this and find out why, it applies in many areas.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          This is complete bollocks.

          If you had ever been to China you would have noticed how much effort brands like Xiaomi and Huawei put into their image. They sell a lot of gear domestically too.

          As for cars, Chinese people buy a hell of a lot of domestically produced cars. Wikipedia has some data from 2017: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

          You will note that domestic cars are very popular. You see a lot of them driving around.

          • What the fuck is going on here?

            Some dude makes a gross mischaracterization, that you easily prove wrong (though common sense was more than enough to derive that) and is moderated +4, 50% Insightful, 50% Informative, and you're here giving a (much nicer than fucking deserved) rebuttal, including evidence, and you're +2, 50% Insightful, 50% Troll.

            Are there fucking waves of people with modpoints who are fucking foaming at the mouth to gaslight any topic involving China?
            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              There are a lot of people who hate China so much they can't bare to see anything that suggests it's no some USSR-style commie hell-hole.

              FWIW Chinese cars are really good. The MG electric ones are affordable, long range and very well made for the price. Obviously not Merc levels of luxury but not cheap either. For the high end Neo have some interesting models.

              • I don't know shit about Chinese cars. Don't really care either, as I'm not really in their market ;)
                However, I've had some really great Chinese stuff (My OnePlus) some really bad Chinese stuff (that I *knew* was going to be bad, but whatever- some whiteboxed Bluetooth transmitter) and some pretty good cheap Chinese maker electronics.

                As far as I can tell, they're perfectly capable of making trash, or good shit, depending on what the market wants in that segment, and there's no reason whatsoever to think t
        • by caseih ( 160668 )

          And yet the Chinese car industry is booming, both in terms of domestic sales, but also quality. Western auto brands are in decline there.

          Honestly, when it comes to poor quality, it's us in the west who are to blame. The Chinese manufacturers are willing to make to whatever standard we want to pay for. Western demand for dirt-cheap goods is driving quality, not some inability of Chinese business people to make quality products. As to cutting corners to maximize profits, well they've learned from the best

      • by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:30AM (#61813805)

        The Chinese don't bother with "brands". Traditional companies used to leverage a brand to build trust over time. EG SnapOn isn't competing on price - their sales are built around a trust and faith in that brand that you're paying extra for stuff that works really well.

        The Chinese instead just rotate through randomly generated stuff to use the advantage of a neutral stance on a "brand" (because nobody knows if its good or bad yet) and they use that up until the rep turns negative and then switch to a new one. Searching for cordless drills on Amazon you get the usually "established" brands like Dewalt, Makita, Bosch, etc, but you also get: WAKYME, OOX, HYCHIKA, SORAKO, OEKO, WANCHI, ACPOTEL, GOXAWEE, MOKENEYE, etc.

        None of those have been around for any length of time and I can almost guarantee that aside from old stock they won't be there in 2 years. The companies won't have gone out of business though, they'll just have moved on to a new name.

        People seem to be catching on though and sadly what it's doing is eroding the amount of goodwill/trust people are willing to afford to an unestablished brand.

        Both Japan and South Korea have done very well with establishing and maintaining brands (eg, Samsung, Nikon, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Sony, Daewoo, etc), but China simply hasn't. Despite being a huge exporter I can't think of one single actual Chinese brand that is well known. Lots of US & other countries brands that have outsourced production to China, but no actual Chinese brands.

        • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

          Both Japan and South Korea have done very well with establishing and maintaining brands (eg, Samsung, Nikon, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Sony, Daewoo, etc), but China simply hasn't. Despite being a huge exporter I can't think of one single actual Chinese brand that is well known. Lots of US & other countries brands that have outsourced production to China, but no actual Chinese brands.

          Huawei? Anker? AUKEY?

          • ...(eg, Samsung, Nikon, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Sony, Daewoo, etc)...

            Once upon a time, Samsung was a good brand. That hasn't been the case for about fifteen years now (or longer). Nowadays, they are best known for overly expensive phones loaded with unremovable crapware that sucks both memory and power, overly complicated appliances with HUGELY expensive electronics that break down quickly and regularly, and TV's that spy on you like the KGB/CIA/NSA.

            As far as brands go, Samsung is in the same league as the guy selling sex change surgery from the trunk of his car in a dark a

            • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

              ...(eg, Samsung, Nikon, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Sony, Daewoo, etc)...

              Once upon a time, Samsung was a good brand. That hasn't been the case for about fifteen years now (or longer). Nowadays, they are best known for overly expensive phones loaded with unremovable crapware that sucks both memory and power, overly complicated appliances with HUGELY expensive electronics that break down quickly and regularly, and TV's that spy on you like the KGB/CIA/NSA.

              I can't say much about Honda, Hyundai, or Daeoo, but the rest of that list are pale shadows of their former glory. Nikon used to be a household name in cameras, but with so few people buying cameras these days, it seems like they're mostly just known for building camera components that go into cell phones. Toyota went off the deep end with hydrogen fuel cell nonsense. Sony ended up becoming an evil entertainment conglomerate that hamstrings their technology to the point of uselessness to protect their mo

        • They don't bother with brands because they only make JUNK.

          A brand is only useful if you make quality products which could result in repeat sales. There's no such luck with Chinese stuff because it's all rubbish.Brands could only tarnish their sales because consumers would stay away from them next time.

          I dare you: name one Chinese manufacturer who is well know for its quality products and has been for a considerable time. You can't because there isn't one!!!
          • by piojo ( 995934 )

            OnePlus is my favorite phone brand. Lenovo is not perfect but has a pretty good reputation. At least ThinkPad is still a great product line, though of course it was bought from IBM. My main flashlight is a Sofirn--it has some quirks but I still prefer it to Fenix (also Chinese, around for 20 years).

            The brands I really dislike, due to a combination of quality problems and their refusal to take responsibility for the issues--Dell and LG are the ones that come to mind right now--are not Chinese. The brands I d

            • The Thinkpad line has been ruined by Lenovo who's sneaking in inferior parts and subpar designs. The USB and HDMI ports are by now known weak points, even on ThinkPads.

              IBM ThinkPads were renowned for their durability and toughness. The Lenovo ThinkPads still look similar but aren't up to the same standard.
        • by piojo ( 995934 )

          I think what you're describing is only true of Chinese products outside the Chinese market. Some of the I've bought on taobao has been pretty good, and at least the pressure cooker and hammer drill brands are still around after 5 and 2 years. And taobao shows you how long a seller has been in business, implying that more years is more trustworthy. They still have rampant fake reviews, though.

          The stuff China has in China seems generally better than the stuff that Americans buy from China. At least I have lit

        • by larwe ( 858929 )

          The Chinese instead just rotate through randomly generated stuff to use the advantage of a neutral stance on a "brand"

          Actually no. Those weird-sounding all caps brands (which you do not encounter if you are shopping on no-nonsense shanzai markets like say dx.com or aliexpress.com or wish.com - even though it's the exact same stuff) exist specifically for Amazon.com marketing reasons. The details are complicated but they are registered as US trademarks (IDK if the same specific shenanigans are afoot in say EU) in order to satisfy some Amazon marketing/store requirements. Figuring out how to game your position on Amazon is a

          • That's... actually pretty interesting! I'd mod accordingly if I had points. The only thing I'd add is that the result is the same: shoppers have noticed the trend with crappy sellers with six or seven letters in all caps and steer clear.
        • Both Japan and South Korea have done very well with establishing and maintaining brands (eg, Samsung, Nikon, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Sony, Daewoo, etc), but China simply hasn't. Despite being a huge exporter I can't think of one single actual Chinese brand that is well known. Lots of US & other countries brands that have outsourced production to China, but no actual Chinese brands.

          Branding is a relatively advanced concept, and those countries didn't establish reliable brands until they grew for a while. The first step is to produce a lot of cheap stuff, and the citizens are happy because they can buy things they couldn't. Then eventually people realize some things are worth paying a little extra for quality (never go to H&M), and at that point branding becomes effective.

          • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

            "...and the citizens are happy because they can buy things they couldn't. Then eventually people realize some things are worth paying a little extra for quality (never go to H&M), and at that point branding becomes effective."

            I lived in Korea during the 80-90s, and what occurred was that the income per capita increased dramatically. They were producing crap, and copying virtually everything...nothing was innovated. It had nothing to do with the populous paying extra for quality...it was all about exp

        • I can't think of one single actual Chinese brand that is well known.

          Haier makes appliances I had one of their A/C units go titsup after two whole years. I then thought I'd but domestic so I got a GE. Ha, it was now owned by Haier since 2016. Returned the GE went LG instead, I hope the Koreans made it. Power tools and parts are mostly all made by one Chinese company. You can get quality tools if you let a good known brand sell you the chinese parts assembled in the US with a large markup. Always Wiki the brand before you buy, most sere sold off years ago.

        • Yes, you have it in a nutshell. Western brands are riding on nostalgic brand fumes using chinese production. I would have far more confidence in the system if I was buyng the same product under an actual chinese name that had any intentions of sticking around for several decades. And for the western businessmen who offshore and sell brand fumes, I piss on them from a considerable height. Some of us actually *depended* on their companies and their products in our line-of-work... not any more.

        • > SnapOn isn't competing on price - their sales are built around a trust and faith in that brand that you're paying extra for stuff that works really well. That and the fact they come to your place of business and let you pay over time...
      • by Junta ( 36770 )

        Those companies aren't too concerned with building brand strength. They are focused on having highly rated specific product pages for shoppers that don't pay attention to the brand. They frequently bombard Amazon with dozens of the exact same product with seemingly random branding applied, so that as some brands get kicked off others are still there and they just have to replenish. They've practically made ban dodging an art form.

      • It's costly, but very fast to generate fake reviews. "Building up trust" is no longer a process, getting the first page or so of reviews to contain no negative reviws is far more important to a short term fraudulent business.

    • by Pascoea ( 968200 )
      But it's better than doing nothing.
      • Is it? An action with the same result as doing nothing but which required usage of any amount of resources is objectively WORSE than doing nothing.

        • by Pascoea ( 968200 )
          That makes the assumption that permabanning these brands does nothing. Yes, they will be back in a week with the same products with "new" products under "new" brand names, but this is definitely a kick in the balls for them. All of the items that have already been produced will either have to be re-branded, scrapped, or sold elsewhere. All of the time and money spent building the brand on Amazon, including all of the fake (and real) reviews, has now been rendered useless.
          • by Junta ( 36770 )

            Often these companies ship without their name on the box or product, maybe on a little paper insert.

            I saw one reviewer show that the product came with a different brand on it, so if it comes down to it they'll just ship old inventory under new name even if they did bother to label it.

    • It's a continuous struggle, indeed. But I'd rather try a brand/product with 10 legit reviews (or no reviews at all) than a brand/product with 1000 good reviews, containing an unknown number of fake ones.

      • by NFN_NLN ( 633283 )

        > I'd rather try a brand/product with 10 legit reviews (or no reviews at all)

        There is no consistency between user reviews. I'd rather check a review site that actually compares products against one another.

        "USB hub: 10/10 - plugged in my keyboard and it worked right away, greatest product ever."

        "USB hub 1/10 - package arrived late."

        Rating site: we purchased 8 of the most sold USB hubs, benchmarked them for speed, measured which ports can supply enough amps to charge devices, and benchmarked their speed

        • While the review sites do give you good information on performance, they don't tell you if there is a quality control problem that results in 20% of the items being faulty from the factory.
        • For many products, there are no relevant reviews.
          Don't get me started with review sites, especially "Best 2021 [insert product here]" which are in fact 2012-2018 articles with changed dates, etc.

        • by Junta ( 36770 )

          My favorite are the answers from customers.

          "Hey can you use this with a laptop?"
          Answers:
          "I don't know, I use it with a cell phone and like it"
          "My package hasn't shipped yet, so I don't know"
          "Yes, it works great for me"
          "No, it didn't work when I tried it"

    • by larwe ( 858929 )
      It's worse than meaningless, because now purchasers can't get support through Amazon for such purchases. Given that what you said is absolutely true (I am sure the exact same stuff is already on sale there under 427 different names), the more appropriate punishment should have been simply to reset all their reviews and reputational info down to zero.
    • by xxdelxx ( 551872 )
      As an example - the Mpow bluetooth headset is now sold as Redzoo. Still announces itself as Mpow in the device page. I have 2 of them - they work just fine. Which is in no way an endorsement of their shenanigans with reviews and maybe I just got lucky.
    • by eepok ( 545733 )

      No. Not meaningless. This is a non-zero value. Those brands are no longer available right now. That's good.

      Some portion of them will recreate accounts under new names and others will not.

      • by Junta ( 36770 )

        The problem being is that it's too cheap/easy to circumvent for these companies that don't actually care about brand strength. Amazon makes it easier to get started for 'small business' and get feedback from 'users', but by the same token opens things up for trivially engineered rebrands and fake reviews.

        I wouldn't be surprised if they have highly automated relaunching a new brand for an existing product and firing off the process to get fake reviews going.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      It's not sad at all, they made some good stuff. The problem is Amazon's review system that heavily penalizes products for unfair reasons, like the buyer didn't read the description and bought the wrong thing, or the buyer had unrealistic expectations for that price point.

      • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

        It's not sad at all, they made some good stuff. The problem is Amazon's review system that heavily penalizes products for unfair reasons, like the buyer didn't read the description and bought the wrong thing, or the buyer had unrealistic expectations for that price point.

        This is what comments *used* to be good for. When you see reviews that are clearly wrong, people could point out that they were wrong, and readers would know. It won't help with the ratings, but those average out unless a product sucks or has only single-digit purchases. Unfortunately, Amazon stopped showing review comments. And now, I don't trust Amazon reviews at all.

        That, combined with Amazon incorrectly grouping completely unrelated products as "different colors/styles", failing to group the exact s

    • by Mitreya ( 579078 )

      Sadly all those banned from Amazon will be back tomorrow under different names, doing the same thing.

      Heh. Also, for each 600 brands that they ban, there are 6000 brands that they didn't even ban.
      There are entire categories of products (like headsets) which are majority fraud-based entries. Amazon could start with banning any product that
      1) Achieves over 4.98 average star rating with more than 100 reviews (no product is that good. and even if there is, there is always an idiot with "great product, not what expected, 2 stars")
      2) Anything that receives over X 5-star reviews more than Y days in a row stra

    • The holding companies of those brands are banned. So even if they start new brands they'll still get banned.

      If the holding company is just a sales office and a shell they could start a new one and start all over again, but if they try the same tactics they'll quickly get booted again.
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        • by Junta ( 36770 )

          But it would be labeled as racist under the current environment saying it's specifically targeting the chinese or something.

          Interestingly enough, there are Chinese companies that would say bring it on. If a Chinese company actually gives a crap (as some actually do), they are screwed over by the bad reputation of the little stub businesses dumping knock-off crap from the massive Chinese manufacturing capacity. South Korea and Japan before them went through the same phase of having a national reputation for crap before evolving to actual reputable brands. However with Amazon setup, the cheap crap strategy is more enduring than

    • will be back tomorrow under different names, doing the same thing.

      Even if true, it will still take them time and effort — making the operation at least somewhat meaningful... They'll have to change tactics too, because, Amazon must've learned, how to detect — and fight — the methods they've been using so far.

      Not sure what else can be done

      Each product's country of origin has to become a mandatory attribute of the product's description — right next to the very price and rating in impor

    • I know can be done. People can stop looking at Amazon reviews and find a third party for reviews rather than going to a site that is literally trying to sell you the thing. There is probably no way to get legit reviews out of a store's website, it's too big of a target for sellers and there is too much profit motive for the site operator.

    • by leonbev ( 111395 )

      Yeah, I know that Choetech (for example) has dozens of other brands under the same parent company who do these "Free products for a 5 star review" Amazon review scams. Most of them still have working stores on Amazon.

    • Get yours here:
      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gTae8RZoO3ynv_XlD6IsdR0kkgw6XTKDoV0R3EhlsoM/edit?usp=sharing

    • Sadly all those banned from Amazon will be back tomorrow under different names, doing the same thing.

      Not all. We seem to ignore the volume at which Amazon can act compared to what a Chinese spinoff-peddler biz can. Rejoining isn't as easy as you or I in the way of creating a shopping account. It takes time and effort, and ergo, it costs.

      Attrition will take the toll out of a number of fraudulent e-retailers, and will inevitably put the brakes on many who, until now, though it was effortless.

      It is not going to be cheap for Amazon, but that's just an opex for it, which AZ can legitimately write off from U

    • Amazon needs to switch to whitelisting, and deep researching to be sure that Happy Fluffy Bunny made by Xiangong, the toy that gives kids chemical burns when hugged does not return as Mister Cotton Tail made by "Zugichan" (formerly Xiangong)

    • If I search for a product, a lot of times I will see the exact same product under different names. And the brands are always bizarre sounding, you know they are Chinese brands.
  • A good start (Score:5, Interesting)

    by awwshit ( 6214476 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:00AM (#61813657)

    I'll bet I could find bogus reviews on almost every product on Amazon. And the part where you can take over a brand/existing ad, then change the product but keep the reviews, is horrible.

    • Re:A good start (Score:4, Insightful)

      by dyslexicbunny ( 940925 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:15AM (#61813721)

      Yeah. That and comingled inventory can really screw a legitimate business with knockoff competitors. They really need to do more!

    • by Ichijo ( 607641 )

      Or sell at an unsustainably low price in order to create a momentum of positive reviews, then raise the price. With so many positive reviews, people think the item is worth the price, and the ones who don't question their own sanity.

      And of course Amazon doesn't let buyers qualify their reviews by revealing the price they paid.

      • by q_e_t ( 5104099 )

        And of course Amazon doesn't let buyers qualify their reviews by revealing the price they paid.

        I've seen many reviews which mention the price, hence sometimes my annoyance that it is no longer on offer for that price.

    • by Mitreya ( 579078 )

      I'll bet I could find bogus reviews on almost every product on Amazon.

      Yes, absolutely. But many are more of "leave a review and receive a gift" or "received product for free", which are at least mixed with real reviews.

      The ones that truly annoy me are products that have 1000 5-star reviews and 20 4-star reviews for 4.99 star average.

    • Super TV 1000 made with quality components "Great TV set!"

      Super TV 1000 (rev. B) made with crap components and now burns down your house "Great TV set!" :-\

  • by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:09AM (#61813689)

    Yeah I have to admit I recently was quite confused - I was looking a "dent puller" (suction cup thingy) which had rather good reviews but reading them didn't seem to make much sense.

    After looking at the reviews, pictures, and questions for a bit it became clear that the reviews and such were written for an Audi sticker, which they later just changed to the other product but kept all the reviews for the old product.

    IMHO the "third party sellers" hurt Amazon more than it helps. Amazon needs to be selling their own inventory, and they need some checks in there to check QC and at a minimum prevent review manipulation.

  • Came fully expecting to see the flood of Amazon-haters declaring why this is a bad thing, and sure enough here they are. I believe that at least one of them is complaining about the banning of a brand that he previously complained about Amazon carrying.

    • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

      The thing is, they basically banned a few companies whose products are generally decent quality, and left most of the junk sellers who sell the exact same ultra-low-quality products under eighty different names at slightly different prices and keep changing names to stay ahead of the bad reviews. That's the exact opposite of an improvement.

  • by RobinH ( 124750 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:32AM (#61813817) Homepage
    If I want direct Chinese products, I buy from AliExpress. That's a company based in China, that understands China, with an interest in creating a decent buying experience. The low risk products are the ones with hundreds or even thousands of verified orders, and at least 4.5 stars. On Amazon, I always click the button that filters by Prime, and ignore anything that isn't directly fulfilled by Amazon. Honestly Amazon should just dump the 3rd party sellers. Shipping takes too long, it's not trustworthy, and it hurts their brand too much.
  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:34AM (#61813833)
    Four and five star reviews are usually people gushing and probably fake. One and two star reviews are people who got a DOA device or product and are venting or trying to get the seller's attention. Unless the product reviews are overwhelmingly one and two stars the three star reviews are usually the only ones with any useful information
    • Or a four/five star review is from someone who thought it was actually a great product, and a two star review is someone who thought it was a flawed product regardless of whether or not it was damaged. Just read the actual review. If it's a one-line throw away comment it's pretty useless, but if it's a four paragraph review it might actually have something useful to say. Use your brain to spot crap marketing or astroturf reviews instead of a lazy heuristic that may as well be useless since nothing stops a t
      • there's too many reviews to read them all.
      • >"Just read the actual review. If it's a one-line throw away comment it's pretty useless"

        Bingo.... ^^^THIS

        Give us a way to filter out terse, meaningless reviews. And give us better "moderation" of reviews so people can better rate the reviews and then filter by them. Having just a "helpful" only button is not very helpful. Amazon's tools for filtering reviews are downright primitive.

        Personally, I review most everything I buy from Amazon. And I do issue lots of 5 star reviews. But I also write someth

  • by pecosdave ( 536896 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:34AM (#61813835) Homepage Journal

    I have Aukey cables I've used for years. If you make good stuff, you get good reviews, and I've given there stuff good reviews without incentive. I don't like buying everything from China, but there's really no place else to get it from.

    I've given bad reviews for trash as well. Seems like I've got some RavPower and Choetech stuff as well, but they don't stand out like Aukey.

    Seems to me the secret of good review is just make good stuff and don't play magical-listings. Keep selling the same product under the same listing long term - builds trust.

  • by Coopjust ( 872796 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:43AM (#61813893)
    Review fraud on Amazon is rampant. Most purchases I have with third party sellers fulfilled by Amazon for electronics, home related goods, etc. that are not major brands you'd see at retail include cards with incentives for third party reviews. It happened for over a year at RAVpower when I bought goods from them (I ignored the cards and never received incentive for reviews - I found the incentivized review offers distasteful, but with internet coupons Ravpower products were often well priced relative to their performance.) Amazon provides no useful mechanism for end users to report this behavior anyways.

    Only when the Wall Street Journal reported on RAVpower doing this did they take any action on it, because it put public eyeballs on the problem and Amazon. Then, they deleted the page for that brand, not saying they were banned for review fraud, just a generic "sorry we can't find this page" with one of the cute Amazon dog photos on it. Users who read the article and looked it up assume they're banned, but anyone linked from another source just assumes maybe that seller just stopped selling on Amazon.

    Until Amazon wants to take review fraud seriously, or is forced to by media or regulator attention, they're going to continue the same pattern: ignore it until they're called out in an extremely public way, and only on a per-brand/seller basis.
  • Not even a dent.
  • by Computershack ( 1143409 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:18PM (#61814055)
    Aukey, MPow and Cheotech were actually decent kit that I bought and am still using. The MPow mobile phone car holder I have is better than anything I've got from anywhere else and I used to recommend it to anyone asking what to get. I drive different vehicles every day so it's constantly getting attached and removed from the windscreen and over the time I've had it I'd have gone through several from other makes, including recognised brand names. Aukey cables I'd take them any day of the week. Cheotech USB chargers I have are working great 3 years later.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      You can still get them from other places. Better to really, don't give Amazon any money if you can avoid it.

  • Amazon has become a dumpster fire. Searching for something will return the same OEM products repeated over hundreds of fake brand names with fake reviews from sellers with fake reviews. It is almost impossible to search in any meaningful way. On top of that you'll have sellers who are outright scammers selling counterfeit goods.

    All this is due to Amazon wanting to shave a little expense by selling stuff on behalf of other people so they don't have to write off the cost of returns, warranties etc.

  • I scanned through all the comments and didn't see any mention of a list of what brands were banned.
    Held my breath and read TFA.
    No mention of a list of what brands were recently banned, just a mention of the same 6 listed in the brief that were banned months ago.
    Anyone able to paste in the list or provide a link?

  • https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gTae8RZoO3ynv_XlD6IsdR0kkgw6XTKDoV0R3EhlsoM/edit?usp=sharing

  • You're talking about a "brand" that only exists for a couple days anyway. That's like taking down a malware C&C server, by the time you get everything set and ready to take them down, the malware has long moved on to a new one.

  • Just went to the mpow web site to look for solutions to a problem. Put in my model number and came to a page with reviews.

    99% of them said "the sound sucks".

    The other 1% said "these are gratest! perfect sound quantity!"

    Hmmm.

  • Walmart also allows 3rd parties on their site to sell products BUT validated supply chains under the "Sold by Walmart" label are floated to the top of search results and can't be subverted (i.e. 3rd parties can't sell their own items under the same "Sold by Walmart" item listings). That means things you buy in-store at Walmart can be bought online with confidence that you aren't getting shafted by a 3rd party supplier. Walmart clearly labels the difference and it is impossible to get to the top of search

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