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Facebook Urged To Reconsider Its Plans for an Instagram for Children (theguardian.com) 34

Instagram for kids is a terrible idea, argues a columnist for the Observer. And yet: In March, Buzzfeed reported on Facebook's plans to develop a product for those too young to sign up to Instagram officially, as the platform requires users to be at least 13... Facebook says it will allow the company to focus on privacy and safety for children.

Last week, an international coalition of children's health advocates, brought together by the Boston-based, non-profit Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood, disagreed and wrote an open letter to Zuckerberg urging the company to drop its plans. "While collecting valuable family data and cultivating a new generation of Instagram users may be good for Facebook's bottom line, it will likely increase the use of Instagram by young children who are particularly vulnerable to the platform's manipulative and exploitative features," it said...

Maybe it is naive of me to expect that children will have any period of freedom from wondering "but how will it/I look?", but surely we should at least try to maintain that for as long as possible.

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Facebook Urged To Reconsider Its Plans for an Instagram for Children

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  • by jwhyche ( 6192 ) on Sunday April 18, 2021 @12:55AM (#61285478) Homepage

    In what universe do they think this was a good idea?

    • And in what universe is "13" even a suitable age?

    • In what universe do they think this was a good idea?

      I'm pretty sure this is fine in the universe with the Cronenberg World [fandom.com] where everyone got turned into Cronenbergs. [nocookie.net]

    • Remember Tobacco companies. Sugar cigarettes for kids, age 3 years and up. (Called Fags in my country) Ads and brands featuring high school kids and tweens. Early addiction equals hooked customers for life. Looks like they found new jobs at Farcebook.Repeat for junk food, sugar loaded cereals. Same old.
      • Sugar loaded cereals never really went away. What really bothers me by this is how it leaves kids exposed for some really hurtful comments. At its core it teaches kids their worth is based on appearance and peer approval of such. Then some troll comments about how big and disproportionate their ears are. The kid then becomes self conscious and, as this cycle continues, develops depression, possibly even body dysmorphic disorder. I just cant see any upside that would counter the growing trend of teen depress
        • Spite. The Chinese education is 50% this. Not so much bullying which is also significant but rather the rote learning system that can beat people down till they commit suicide. 50% is just wanting the best for your kid despite the horrors of Gaokao and the other 50% is thinking this kind of strenuous education system is what builds good character and you just have to toughen up. So I think a lot is this mix of indifference and spite, that we should overcome these challenges to be worthwhile in our respect

    • by martynhare ( 7125343 ) on Sunday April 18, 2021 @09:09AM (#61286222)
      To indoctrinate people into a brave new world of people who act entirely based upon the approval (likes) of the lowest common denominator. That is what social media ultimately does to people with its timeline-driven approach to chronicling and profiling our lives. While we used to only share our memories with those we have already developed close/intimate relationships with, social media encourages us to post as frequently and as publicly as possible.

      Facebook has (along with many other large technology firms) every incentive to get children to sign up to this new social contract as early as possible, to minimise the risk that an entire generation could "get the wrong idea" and leave them in the dust. We're already hearing that Gen Z ("boomers") want far less to do with alcohol than previous generations, what if they decided that the Internet should remain a transmission medium for digital appliances and nothing more? Previous generations grew up with computers (and the Internet) as a world of possibilities where a certain amount of technical know-how was a prerequisite for getting the most out of it. Those who come after us will take it as much for granted as we did with the modern miracle that is telephony. It's very possible that coming generations will value meatspace interactions far more than we ever did. That should (and probably does) scare Facebook.
    • In what universe do they think this was a good idea?

      If it makes Zuck money, then it's a good idea to Zuck. Look at him anyhow - is there anyone that loos more like someone from another universe wearing a human skin?

    • by the Laws of the Corporation they must do this.

      I predict they'll rebrand and try again. And eventually it'll work. Just like in the 80s when the Advertising industry got rules around marketing to kids loosened. We as a country are very, very pro-free market.
  • by Ostracus ( 1354233 ) on Sunday April 18, 2021 @12:56AM (#61285482) Journal

    Commercial-free childhood? Well that horse has escaped the burning barn, and now it's nothing but ashes.

    • Remember when the only predictable way to advertise to kids was Saturday morning cartoons and the after school shows like fat albert, transformers, the munsters, etc? The worst the kid got solicited was cereal and toys.
  • When the shades of night are falling
    Comes a fellow ev'ryone knows
    It's the old dope peddler
    Spreading joy wherever he goes
    Ev'ry evening you will find him
    Around our neighborhood
    It's the old dope peddler
    Doing well by doing good

    He gives the kids free samples
    Because he knows full well
    That today's young innocent faces
    Will be tomorrow's clientele
    Here's a cure for all your troubles
    Here's an end to all distress
    It's the old dope peddler
    With his powdered ha-happiness
    Tom Leher, The Old Dope Peddler [youtube.com]

  • by mcnster ( 2043720 ) on Sunday April 18, 2021 @01:54AM (#61285530)

    Children have ZERO business being on the internet unsupervised.

    To all the parents out there, my condolences.

  • by wakeboarder ( 2695839 ) on Sunday April 18, 2021 @02:09AM (#61285538)

    to zuckerberg, it only matters that they can lock people into thier platform at an early age. Anything to keep thier society sucking influence over people and keep money flowing into thier coffers.

    Facebook had teams of people to make sure thier UI can manipulate you psychologically to do anything from keeping you in the site longer or generating clicks and ad revenue. Imagine starting this process at an earlier age so it's more ingrained, and so they can lock people into thier platform.

    And the sad thing there isn't much anyone can do to stop them (with the exception of telling your kids to stay off of it)

  • A terrible idea given what we know about the effects of social media on adults. As well as bullying and cancel culture, this would seem a great target for male feminists and other degenerates.

    • What's wrong with male feminists? I may have misunderstood your comment.
      • They have a reputation for being creepy weirdos who shouldn't be left unattended with anything vaguely female. Arguably this is unfair given how most of them successfully manage their abnormal urges. Ideally we would be understanding of paraphilias so that these people could feel safer in seeking help.

  • Mr. Zuckerberg.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sconeu ( 64226 ) on Sunday April 18, 2021 @02:53AM (#61285580) Homepage Journal

    You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

  • Children already use Instagram, whether we like it not. Don't kid yourself. Not a dad but an uncle here.

    Would it not be better to at least have some control over it? Better the devil we know than the devil we don't?

    • Some children are also smokers. That doesn't make it a good idea to give them a kids' product designed to ease them into the addiction without technically breaking laws.
    • by hjf ( 703092 )

      Children don't use Instagram. They're on TikTok. Around here you can see little kids wearing TikTok t-shirts, they just love it. I see them every single time i go out for a walk (easy to spot: little kids don't usually wear black t-shirts but seems the normal color scheme is black shirt with the "t" logo). My niece is 8 or 9 and she's really into it.

  • Here, take this app and become addicted to it. What a beautiful childhood you will have had. Great memories of the days spent looking at you phone screen and watching pictures of other children instead of interacting with the ones nearby.
  • Love it. (Score:2, Informative)

    by Alypius ( 3606369 )
    So let me get this straight. It's perfectly fine for them to have an abortion or "change" their sex, but the line is drawn at having an IG account? Ahh, yes, it's called "awesome parenting." You have failed the human species.
  • "While collecting valuable family data and cultivating a new generation of Instagram users may be good for Facebook's bottom line, it will likely increase the use of Instagram by young children who are particularly vulnerable to the platform's manipulative and exploitative features,"

    After hearing this emotionally charged finding, for some reason saliva was dripping from Zuck’s tightly pulled back and slightly upturned lips.

  • Facebook's interest is in monetization. Make it illegal to monetize children's data (if not outright illegal to collect it, which I suspect is a superior position) with substantial penalties for abusers and their interest in such a project will vanish.

    However, if you take the slightly paranoid view (but only slightly IMO, based on what we do know about our government's penchant for data collection through private entities) that Facebook is first and foremost a government-utilized data collection tool, then such a law seems unlikely to materialize.

    Children should not be directly monetized. They are too young to effectively resist it, and moreover it trains them to expect to be monetized forever and ever, amen.

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