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Amazon Offers Biden Help With Covid-19 Vaccine Distribution (nbcnews.com) 245

Amazon has extended an offer to President Joe Biden to assist with the national distribution of Covid-19 vaccines, a move that could expedite the federal effort to combat the pandemic. From a report: Dave Clark, the CEO of Amazon's consumer business, and one of the company's highest-ranking executives, sent a letter to the president shortly after he was sworn in Wednesday. "As you begin your work leading the country out of the COVID-19 crisis, Amazon stands ready to assist you in reaching your goal of vaccinating 100 million Americans in the first 100 days of your administration," he wrote in his letter, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News.

"We are prepared to leverage our operations, IT, & communications capabilities and expertise to assist your administration's vaccination efforts," Clark wrote. "Our scale allows us to make a meaningful impact immediately in the fight against COVID-19, and we stand ready to assist you in this effort." Clark said Amazon had agreements in place with licensed third-party health care providers to administer vaccines on-site at Amazon facilities. "We are prepared to move quickly once vaccines are available," he wrote.

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Amazon Offers Biden Help With Covid-19 Vaccine Distribution

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  • by VoodooCryptologist ( 7614904 ) on Thursday January 21, 2021 @10:44AM (#60973238)
    So they intentionally waited until Biden was inaugurated to extend this offer. This is why I hate politics so much. They could have been helping the whole time, but they wanted to hold off for political points. Pretty shameful in my opinion.
    • by ugen ( 93902 ) on Thursday January 21, 2021 @10:47AM (#60973250)

      Given the known low opinionof Trump about Amazon and Bezos, it is quite certain that any such offer during Trump's tenure would look like an attempt to curry favor (and would, most certainly, be rebuked or wasted, given the track record of outgoing administration). So, I don't see this as "politics" - only as a rational response.

      • Given the known low opinionof Trump about Amazon and Bezos, it is quite certain that any such offer during Trump's tenure would look like an attempt to curry favor (and would, most certainly, be rebuked or wasted, given the track record of outgoing administration). So, I don't see this as "politics" - only as a rational response.

        And those that still feel justified about a "rational" response of putting politics over health and safety, deserve any negative attacks against that selfish decision.

      • by k6mfw ( 1182893 )
        Which brings up another logistics issue on distributing vaccine. There are political factors besides cleaniness and safety. I remember months ago when it was said there two challenges: developing a vaccine and distributing it. But then have to add the political aspects i.e. whether you wear a mask or not is a political statement (note that the virus itself has no political leanings). What irks me is a mega-billion juggernaut business that has huge impact on logistics which Bezos may become the first trillio
      • by Junta ( 36770 )

        Such an offer may have been extended privately, and Amazon may not have tried to publicize it because they knew that would invite Trump into a very public and frustrating conversation.

        Here they can publicly try to look good without much fear of negative publicity from an antagonistic president. Which is also kind of risky as a PR move, trying to look heroic before they necessarily do anything yet.

        However, I do agree the optics are bad, it at least *appears* that Amazon wouldn't work with Trump even for the

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by magzteel ( 5013587 )

      So they intentionally waited until Biden was inaugurated to extend this offer. This is why I hate politics so much. They could have been helping the whole time, but they wanted to hold off for political points. Pretty shameful in my opinion.

      I thought the same thing.

      • Who is to say they tried with Trump and Trump was not receptive.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by magzteel ( 5013587 )

          Who is to say they tried with Trump and Trump was not receptive.

          If they had it would have been front page news

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by nomadic ( 141991 )

      False. Bezos has been trying to work with the White House since at least March 2020:

      https://techcrunch.com/2020/03... [techcrunch.com]

      So since there's a new team, Amazon has to reach out again. Because the Trump administration certainly was screwing up vaccine distribution as anyone who isn't an idiot or liar will agree:

      https://www.vanityfair.com/new... [vanityfair.com]

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        False. Bezos has been trying to work with the White House since at least March 2020:

        https://techcrunch.com/2020/03... [techcrunch.com]

        So since there's a new team, Amazon has to reach out again. Because the Trump administration certainly was screwing up vaccine distribution as anyone who isn't an idiot or liar will agree:

        https://www.vanityfair.com/new... [vanityfair.com]

        Care to explain what the fuck Amazon was going to offer in March of 2020? Because it sure as shit wasn't vaccine distribution.

        It's one thing to call out the facts here, but don't make it sound like Amazon was really being helpful a year ago. They were about as clueless as the next bookseller dangerously pretending to be in medicine.

        • Care to explain what the fuck Amazon was going to offer in March of 2020? Because it sure as shit wasn't vaccine distribution.

          It was obvious in March 2020 that there would be some sort of vaccine to distribute in the near future.

          Competent administrations prepare for obvious future events, instead of waiting for a vaccine to arrive and then try to figure out a distribution plan.

        • You are aware that vaccine distribution was going to be a logistics problem for distribution? Guess what Amazon does every day: logistics and distribution of goods.
    • by WoodstockJeff ( 568111 ) on Thursday January 21, 2021 @10:57AM (#60973298) Homepage

      Not sure that it is really needed, either. Checking the statistics today, over 30 million doses have already been distributed to the states, but less than half have actually been administered.

      That would indicate that either the existing distribution is adequate to maintain an over-supply, or the people who are managing the distribution at the state level aren't doing all they can with the resources already provided.

      • Management (Score:5, Informative)

        by JBMcB ( 73720 ) on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:27AM (#60973476)

        The states with the highest levels of vaccinations are the Dakotas and West Virginia. Their secret sauce is, apparently:

        1. Very few restrictions on whom gets vaccinated - they send the doses to hospitals, nursing homes and pharmacies and let them prioritize
        2. Leveraging the National Guard to for shipments
        3. Not relying on one or two large pharmacy chains for distribution (the US government has deals with Walgreens and CVS) but using more local chains and large independent pharmacies

        The states with the worst rates are New York and California who, incidentally, have the most complex rules on vaccine distribution.

        • Re:Management (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Dixie_Flatline ( 5077 ) <<moc.liamg> <ta> <hog.naj.tnecniv>> on Thursday January 21, 2021 @12:15PM (#60973732) Homepage

          From what I understand of New York, their main problem was that they weren't allowed to use up doses opportunistically. So if everyone that had been scheduled to be vaccinated that day was done, and they had 100 doses left, for a while, they weren't able to vaccinate 100 people in the hospital that weren't on the list without jumping through a lot of hoops, which eventually meant that 100 doses were wasted, because they can't be re-stored. It's gross malpractice, and that's squarely at the feet of Cuomo.

          Trump was not serious about COVID, and had no plan.
          Cuomo is very serious about COVID, and makes terrible plans. Turns out both are bad.

          • The crux of the problem in the United States' handling of the entire COVID crisis is that individual states are doing so much of the management rather than it being entirely controlled by the federal government.

            In my opinion, that is absolutely insane. If a foreign power invaded the United States it wouldn't be up to each of the fifty states to try and defend themselves. The federal government and the military should have been orchestrating the US response the minute this was declared a pandemic. The US mil

            • by JBMcB ( 73720 )

              The federal government has the capacity to handle logistics like this, it has just chosen not to under Trump's incompetence.

              The federal government is *not* equipped to handle something like this.

              Think about it as a management and information problem. You have to distribute hundreds of millions of vaccines all over the country. Some are going to huge cities. Some are going to small cities. Some are going out in the middle of nowhere. There are reliable supply chains in some areas but not others. There are reliable shipping routes in some areas but not others. The federal government does not have all of this information, but the s

          • Re:Management (Score:5, Interesting)

            by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Thursday January 21, 2021 @03:09PM (#60974856)

            From what I understand of New York, their main problem was that they weren't allowed to use up doses opportunistically. So if everyone that had been scheduled to be vaccinated that day was done, and they had 100 doses left, for a while, they weren't able to vaccinate 100 people in the hospital that weren't on the list without jumping through a lot of hoops, which eventually meant that 100 doses were wasted, because they can't be re-stored. It's gross malpractice, and that's squarely at the feet of Cuomo.

            Yep. Here in the South, my wife works in a nursing home. They got their first batch on 12/31, but had more doses than people willing to take the vaccine. So they asked her if I wanted to get it. Once I made sure there was no one else wanting the dose and it would get destroyed I ran over there. To me, it would have been irresponsible not to have gotten one in that case, because that means down the line someone else will be getting the vaccine sooner than they otherwise would.

            For the record, I got Moderna. Felt like someone took a baseball bat to my arm, sore and stiff (to the point where I couldn't fully raise it) for about 3 days. Much worse than the flu shot, but no other side effects. I should get round 2 a week from today, which I hear can be worse for side effects.

            Sad thing is, they are now currently in an outbreak where roughly half their staff and residents have tested positive(including my wife, who was down for several days and is just now getting back her sense of smell but still has fatigue), with multiple deaths. I wish more of their residents had been willing to get the shot so there wouldn't have been one for me.

        • Here in NH, as a first responder I've had my first round of vaccine (second round on the 26th). There is a CDC website to pick an appointment time, I showed up on time, and was jabbed in the arm by an Air Force medical corp officer. I think they could have handled a greater rate of appointments as I had zero wait and other firefighters I talked to also had zero wait, but the process was smooth.
      • by flink ( 18449 )

        Not sure that it is really needed, either. Checking the statistics today, over 30 million doses have already been distributed to the states, but less than half have actually been administered.

        That would indicate that either the existing distribution is adequate to maintain an over-supply, or the people who are managing the distribution at the state level aren't doing all they can with the resources already provided.

        Of course they haven't. Most county health departments have never dealt with anything like this before and have no idea how to handle the logistics. Handing it out to the states without any federal resources or oversight predictably resulted in chaos.

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      • by Anubis IV ( 1279820 ) on Thursday January 21, 2021 @02:35PM (#60974678)

        Checking the statistics today, over 30 million doses have already been distributed to the states, but less than half have actually been administered.

        Up until a few days ago, the policy in place was that states should hold a second dose in reserve for anyone who received their first dose, so aren't the numbers you describe pretty much exactly what we'd expect to see right now if the states have administered all of the doses they were cleared to administer? After all, vaccination efforts are still ramping up after just beginning a few weeks ago, so most of the people who have received their first doses are still in the period between doses, which would suggest that those doses shouldn't have been administered yet.

        That said, the policy was updated about a week ago (January 12th) by the outgoing administration, with the new policy instructing states to administer those reserves as first doses, rather than holding them back. The new idea is that as those reserved doses are used by new patients, additional doses in the federal reserve will be released to the states sooner than they would have been otherwise. Assuming it goes well it should result in a faster rollout (to be fair, the US is currently 5th in the world in terms of COVID vaccinations per capita, so it isn't doing too bad, though better is always welcome), but policy changes like these can take weeks before they really start to make a noticeable difference—it's been 7 business days since the policy change was announced, but it takes at least a few days for states to put together a plan in response to federal policy changes, a few more days to inform recipients that doses are available, a few more days to get them in, etc.—so it's still a bit early for the statistics to show an inflection point in response to the revised policy.

        Check back again next week or the week after. If the number of doses being held back don't look drastically different by then, that's when we start to make noise.

    • Except theres no evidence they hadn't already offered the services and got told no, expecially with trumps antipathy towards Amazon. They may well be announcing it now because with a new president they might actually get a look in.

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    • The Trump administration had no national distribution plan. Vaccines were being sent directly to the states. Extending the offer to the Trump administration would be as effective as extending the offer to you personally.

      When you have nothing to distribute, you have no reason to be approached by a distributor.

    • It turns out that Trump's team had no plan for vaccine distribution. This is why the "Operation Warp Speed" stonewalled during the transition.

      Biden's team is pretty much having to start from square one.

      This is why Amazon's offer is timed the way it is.

    • So they intentionally waited until Biden was inaugurated to extend this offer.

      Considering the distribution problems with a vaccine have been apparent for less than 2 weeks, and the last 2 weeks have been nothing other than a shit show from an outgoing leader causing an issurrecting, hiding sulking in a corner while his entire department is fired, and concerned seemingly only with throwing out a list of pardons and approving drilling in natural reserves, WHY WOULDN'T YOU WAIT? To do anything with the government last week would have been profoundly stupid.

      This isn't politics. This is b

    • So you are part of Amazon for you to know this insider information that Amazon sat on this until now? I can think of many reasons:

      1. Amazon was not ready for this logistically. Moving product that require stringent and specific temperature control is very different than other items.
      2. They assumed the Federal government had the issue under control.
      3. Maybe they did offer help earlier but the previous administration was not responsive to help. After all, it is no surprise that Trump's management was less than compet
    • The offer didn't say "we'll do this right away", they said "we'll do this when vaccines are available". I'm not sure what use reaching out to Trump offering to help in March would have been.

      I suppose if Trump had agreed to buy the Piezer vaccine when it was offered, we may have enough doses now that it would matter.

      How strange that a company would reach out to the person who could make the buying decision as opposed to their predecessor.

    • Thank you for saying exactly my thought. I hate politics myself and don't want to discuss it much with anyone including with family. Don't get me wrong, I can't thank Amazon enough that they offered to help. But if the offer was on the table, I think it should have been offered even before the first shipment. The will to be patriots doesn't have to wait until the inauguration day. I know Jeff has an unhealthy relationship with President Trump but that shouldn't have been the reason the withhold help when ev
  • by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Thursday January 21, 2021 @10:44AM (#60973242)

    Can't wait for that AmazonBasics Covid Vaccination :)

    (but no, seriously, if they have one I'll take it . . . )

    • out of market bill
      Vaccination $20
      Doctor on site $200
      But your up front bill is just
      Copay $30

    • The vaccine might be free but you have to sign up for Amazon-Prime, Amazon-Healthcare, Wholefoods Delivery and a whole load more in order to get it.
      Amazon never does anything out of the goodness of their heart.

    • (but no, seriously, if they have one I'll take it . . . )

      I wouldn't.

      I've worked in a company providing monitoring equipment for handling medical supplies that require refrigeration or they degrade. "Cold-chain" handling is a VERY hard job - the exact opposite of the quality/price tradeoff scale from Amazon's operations.

      The two approved vaccines both require continuous refrigeration, one to cryogenic temperatures, or they degrade. Then they fail to work (AND MAY provoke dangerous reactions). (Some of thos

      • Yes. *That* something I'd like to see lowest-pay worker slaves handle.... /s

        Prepare for half the vaccinated people not being actually vaccinated because the cooling chain was half-assed by overtired workers,
        and you do not know which half,
        calling in question the efficacy of the vaccine, which will take months to clear . . .
        Only to be distributed by Amazon again . . .
        And after a few *years* of denying and lawsuits and half-assed superfici appeasements, it will be halfway fixed but not really.

        With Amazon makin

      • Golly, if only they'd put some sort of indicator inside the boxes that would tell them if the vaccines got above safe temperature. Heck, they could stick it to the vials themselves.

        Oh wait, that's exactly what they do.

    • Can't wait for that AmazonBasics Covid Vaccination :)

      (but no, seriously, if they have one I'll take it . . . )

      It will no doubt be the Chinese vaccine with its 50% efficacy and and priced at a discount. It'll also need to be shipped back twice because UPS dropped kicked the box marked fragile through your bedroom window and after you take it it'll turn out it was mixed with lead paint and recalled.

      So at least you'll get a product 100% consistent with the expectations for AmazonBasics

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Amazon's going to help Biden distribute Trump's vaccine? The one that everyone said wouldn't exist until 2022 at the earliest?

    How generous and definitely not politically motivated of them.

    • by ugen ( 93902 ) on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:01AM (#60973312)

      Amazon is already distributing "Trump's vaccine" (aka Clorox).

    • Re:Wow, how generous (Score:5, Informative)

      by ThomasBHardy ( 827616 ) on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:01AM (#60973318)

      I'm curious. When you say "Trump's vaccine" which one are you referring to?

      Is it the Pfizer one developed by Bointech in Germany that had nothing to do with Trump?

      Or maybe you mean the Moderna one that was designed back in January 23, 2020 before US cases even existed?

      I'm perfectly fine with giving credit to helping accelerate the testing, but calling it a "Trump vaccine" is ludicrous.

      • by Subm ( 79417 )

        > I'm perfectly fine with giving credit to helping accelerate the testing, but calling it a "Trump vaccine" is ludicrous.

        They meant Trump virus.

    • The one that everyone said wouldn't exist until 2022 at the earliest?

      By everyone you mean "no one" right? You know people like Fauci has been saying for 8 months already the development of a vaccine will concluded by the year end (which it was)

  • Cold chain? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:06AM (#60973346) Journal

    Both currently approved vaccines require being kept frozen - one to cryogenic temperatures - continuously until shortly before use, or they degrade and fail to work. Handling them properly, and insuring they WERE kept properly cold the entire time (and the packages were not damaged so that the internal insulation is intact, allowing them to survive the rated time as they're being moved from one cooler to another), and MEASURING this so defective product won't be used, requires substantial medical-grade infrastructure - called "cold chain" in the trade.

    Is Amazon up to it?

    Our household, sequestered since March 10th, has been supplied by deliveries, largely by Amazon. The fraction of canned-food articles that have arrived bashed-in gives me little hope that their infrastructure's current processes, standards, and workforce training (heavily optimized for low overall cost and minimal worker handling time per package) can be leveraged for medical-grade vaccine distribution.

    • by aitikin ( 909209 )

      Came here to say pretty much that. I imagine they could handle some, but their reefer trucks (whatever ones they have) are highly unlikely to be equipped to handle that level of cold...

      • I imagine they could handle some, but their reefer trucks (whatever ones they have) are highly unlikely to be equipped to handle that level of cold...

        Once we have one that only requires ordinary freezing they MIGHT still be able to manage it with the infrastructure they acquired when they bought Whole Foods.

        But I wouldn't trust it unless they hospitals picked it up at the stores. Whole Foods delivery was added after the acquisition and I'm not impressed with their handling.

        Once we have a vaccine that can b

    • From the article

      "Clark said Amazon had agreements in place with licensed third-party health care providers to administer vaccines on-site at Amazon facilities."

      I agree that delivering to the home is not likely to work, however, delivering large batches of the vaccine to Amazon facilities should work. It will require a lot fewer specialized trucks and cryogenic storage units.

    • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

      Both currently approved vaccines require being kept frozen - one to cryogenic temperatures - continuously until shortly before use, or they degrade and fail to work. Handling them properly, and insuring they WERE kept properly cold the entire time (and the packages were not damaged so that the internal insulation is intact, allowing them to survive the rated time as they're being moved from one cooler to another), and MEASURING this so defective product won't be used, requires substantial medical-grade infrastructure - called "cold chain" in the trade.

      Is Amazon up to it?

      Door to door? Probably not. Leveraging their shipping network-both air and ground- as a middle man to get vaccines from production facilities to distribution centers? Absolutely.

      I used to work in air cargo, at one point working in my facility's temperature control area. Besides fresh flowers, fish, vegetables, etc, we would regularly get shipments of pharmaceuticals head ed to/coming from overseas. They came in things like this:
      https://www.envirotainer.com/p... [envirotainer.com]

      Fully sealed, run off batteries, can fit in

  • by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:07AM (#60973350)

    The US Government is going to have to become a Prime subscriber.

  • Regulations around refrigerated drugs are extremely strict so that you don't die from taking them. This includes constant real-time monitoring with custom software/hardware for auditing the entire process from production to delivery.

    Amazon handling these vaccines with the infrastructure they have to meet those standards is absolutely laughable.

    Source: My wife works in refrigerated drugs for a major pharma company. I am a Prime subscriber and have seen some absolutely beat to shit packages ;P

  • As if Bezos gave two shits about the health of any of the peasants...

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