First Intel Tiger Lake Benchmarks Show Big CPU and Graphics Performance Gains

MojoKid writes: Intel formally announced its 11th Gen Core mobile processor family, known by the code name Tiger Lake, a few weeks back and made some bold performance claims for it as well. The company even compared its quad-core variant to AMD's 8-core Ryzen 7 4800U in gaming and content creation. Today Intel lifted the embargo veil on benchmarks with its Core i7-1185G7 Tiger Lake CPU with on-board Iris Xe graphics and there's no question Tiger Lake is impressive. Intel indeed achieved single-threaded performance gains north of 20% with even larger deltas for multithreaded throughput in some cases as well. In addition, Tiger Lake's integrated Iris Xe graphics put up over 2X the gaming performance over the company's 10th Gen Ice Lake processors, and it looks to be the fastest integrated graphics solution for laptops on the market currently, besting AMD's Ryzen 4000 series as well. Battery life measurements are still out, however, as retail ready products have yet to hit the channel. Intel notes Tiger Lake-powered laptops from OEM partners should be available in the next month or so.

in light of Intel security "flaws"..

[BardBollocks]

... and Ryzen's performance does it even make sense to go Intel?

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[gweihir]

It does not. Intel needs at least several years to really catch up. What they are doing at the moment is basically misleading the customer by sweeping the unsolved problems under the rug.

Part of me wonders if Intel's been sitting on tech

[rsilvergun]

because there was no reason to improve. AMD leapfrogged them, especially on mobile and it took them all of a few months to catch up.

As for the GPU, it's neat and all but we're still talking just barely eeking out 60 fps from Rocket League at 720p and performance about 40% of the aging MX250 line....

Intel's biggest advantage here is driver stability tends to be higher. Especially with older games. AMD's gotten better but they've still had a lot of troubles, and the drivers OEMs put on the laptop are usually garbage with "Install the AMD Driver" being the most common fix.

On the other hand some of these chips draw 15-23 watts at _peak_ which is crazy.

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[mobby_6kl]

I doubt it. They put all their chips on the 10nm process, fucked it up, and consequently let it derail all their further tick/tock plans. They're probably not too upset though because they just keep printing money regardless with their 14+++ stuff just as well.

Re:Part of me wonders if Intel's been sitting on t

[rsilvergun]

Yeah, but real men own fabs. :)

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[G00F]

Yea, intel must of had this stuff disgned out and wasn't planning on releasing it anytime soon but AMD forced their hand.

Likely all they had to do was make security changes that plagued the previous cpus and make it for their current size tech.

Well competition is a good thing and I hope AMD is still in the game.

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[willy_me]

On the other hand some of these chips draw 15-23 watts at _peak_ which is crazy.

That is crazy - and not entirely true. The article makes note that they could not measure the actual power consumption but that the fans were not that bad so it was probably inline with what was quoted. The 15-23 W measurement is for TDP and not peak power. AMD and Intel have different definitions for what is implied by TDP so we will have to wait for reviewers to gain better access to the hardware. We need third party measurements of power to confirm the real power consumption. That being said, it lo

Re:Part of me wonders if Intel's been sitting on t

[willy_me]

Looks like some real power tests have already been done. here [anandtech.com]

I was talking about the AMD chips

[rsilvergun]

which have been out for a bit and benchmarked. They do throttle a bit but I've seen some reviews where they talk about how crazy it is that you could reasonably do video editing on a CPU that draws that kind of power. Their only real complaint was AMD was missing support for a bunch of Adobe Premier features in their GPU driver.

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[Life2Death]

Its more of adobe missing support for OpenCL or whatever

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[Carrier Lifetime]

Support is the biggest problem with AMD. Their GPUs are at least as good as Nvidias, but AMD's suport for e.g. TensorFlow is abysmal. ROCm is not as well supported as CUDA. Same story with CPUs. I can run the same Matlab code faster on an Intel CPU than on a theoretically faster AMD CPU. AMD needs to put their act together.

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[malkavian]

Part of that is Intel having an awfully big spend on Blue Sky research, and lots of compiler design just for their CPU. AMD generally have been pushing back to be in the game for some time and concentrating on the actual chip design (I'm glad they got the current win), so didn't have the hard funding for all the ancillary research that Intel did.
#Last time round (the original Athlon), Intel pulled all kinds of dirty tricks to lock AMD out of the market when the Athlon was superior, so AMD didn't get to cap

Intel Benchmarks are Worthless

[nagora]

Until we know what security holes they opened to get the high scores.

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[drinkypoo]

And by the same token, any slashdot summary which talks about a "new" Intel CPU which doesn't talk about those vulnerabilities is fucking worthless. Kind of like the "editors"

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[DontBeAMoran]

It's easier to assume Intel CPUs still have the same fucking vulnerabilities as the ones before.

It's even easier to not care about what Intel releases anymore.

"Management Engine" spyware still onboard?

[gravitas_shortfall]

If the ME is still present/can't be removed, I'm not interested.

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[G00F]

I'm an AMD fanboy, but AMD's PSP [wikipedia.org] is worse. Both vendors claim these can be disabled and people seam to trust AMD's word more than intel...

But that kind of crap is also going into video cards, and even in ARM cpu's, TrustZone.

GL trying to find something modern to run an OS that lets you participate with the word https://freundschafter.com/cyb... [freundschafter.com]

But if you find something, please let me know!

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[Rockoon]

I'm running the fastest one listed there right now.

..an AMD Richland chip, the A10-6800K, an APU that years later can still play many modern games and relatively decent framerates at 720P/900P

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[BorelHendrake]

How about these guys?

https://www.raptorcs.com/conte... [raptorcs.com]

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[tlhIngan]

I'm an AMD fanboy, but AMD's PSP is worse. Both vendors claim these can be disabled and people seam to trust AMD's word more than intel...

But that kind of crap is also going into video cards, and even in ARM cpu's, TrustZone.

GL trying to find something modern to run an OS that lets you participate with the word https://freundschafter.com/cyb [freundschafter.com]...

But if you find something, please let me know!

ARM has had TrustZone for over a decade now. In fact, AMD's licensed TrustZone from ARM to do PSP.

And it's been going on

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah call the cops and wake me up when AMD devices allow unauthenticated ring -1 network access to systems like Intel did.

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[DontBeAMoran]

Intel ME or AMD PSP. They're basically your only choices apart from DIY solutions using something like a Raspberry Pi.

You can also wait for Apple's ARM-powered Macs.

It would have to be better

[Revek]

Intel graphics are the worst.

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[MojoKid]

You obviously didn't read through to the article, because in reality, with Tiger Lake, they're actually the best - like faster than anything from AMD currently and 2X their previous gen performance.

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[nagora]

You obviously didn't read through to the article, because in reality, with Tiger Lake, they're actually the best - like faster than anything from AMD currently and 2X their previous gen performance.

Yeah, yeah. But they allow root access to your system or something else equally bad. Intel are irrelevant and they only have themselves to blame.

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[Revek]

You obviously haven't tried them in the last twenty years. Don't care what benchmarks they use. I care about the real world use of them. They always looked decent on paper but the actual use was abysmal. Intel hasn't been trustworthy in this century. Let that sink in.

Re:It would have to be better

[DontBeAMoran]

You obviously didn't read through to the article. Congratulations, you passed the test! Your Slashdot membership has been renewed!

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[Revek]

Thanks but I did read the article. Who cares how good the say they are. They haven't ever said "our graphics chips suck" but we all know they have never been worth a shit.

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[nagora]

Sock puppet detected

Just single threaded scores are high

[xwin]

Intel as it was before scores high in single-threaded performance. AMD kills it in a multi-threaded benchmarks. Anyone who wants to game on laptop will get a separate graphic card so IGP performance does not matter much. Anyone who needs performance will get a workstation or server with AMD chip. It seems that AMD based servers becoming common place for software development, where Intel used to dominate. As far as running MS Office, any laptop these days will do for most users needs. IGP on Intel and AMD ch

amd has better PCI-E and no raid keys hardware DLC

[Joe_Dragon]

amd has better PCI-E and no raid keys that are hardware DLC

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[account_deleted]

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[Joe_Dragon]

RAID keys for the build in ports

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[DontBeAMoran]

Anyone who wants to game on laptop will get a separate graphic card

How does that even work? Last time I checked 99% of laptops don't use MXM and external GPUs defeat the point of buying a laptop.

Unless you're talking about buying a laptop for portability but only gaming at home?

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[Penguinoflight]

The emphasis on the GP should have been separate _chip_. They haven't been on discrete cards for some time, but laptops motherboards can have mainstream graphics chips complete with their own memory bus and separate cooling solutions. I'm sure it helps that companies like Asus and MSI build both video cards and laptop boards.

True external cards are possible but not common; you can find adapters between expresscard and thunderbolt (or even some solutions which connect to the mini-pcie slots inside a laptop

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[Cederic]

If you buy a slim tablet/PC (such as the MS Surface Pro) it's nice to be able to play low-requirement games.

E.g. I spent a lot of time on holiday enjoying Star Traders: Frontiers in front of a beautiful seascape.

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[Penguinoflight]

Lure of the Temptress and System Shock were both pretty fun on a macbook "pro" I used for a bit.

I'm not going to say the integrated graphics systems are a bad choice either. I've always considered the "desktop replacement" laptop segment a pretty narrow use case; even if you can work around the thermal and power limits the upfront cost and lack of any real repair options are a big tradeoff compared to a custom tower.

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[jon3k]

Why does an external GPU defeat the point of a laptop? For a lot of people they only game at their desk, using a mouse with their laptop connected to a large display.

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[DontBeAMoran]

Indeed, I keep forgetting about those stupid trackpads. I can't imagine someone playing a keyboard+mouse game using only the laptop inputs.

Anandtech

[Artem S. Tashkinov]

Anandtech has tested [anandtech.com] the CPU as well. Their conclusions are not so rosy.

Great!

[DontBeAMoran]

I can't wait to buy a new Mac mini with these new intel proc... oh wait.

LPDDR support frustration

[gabebear]

Intel STILL isn't supporting more than 16GB LPDDR4x in a quad-channel config on these CPUs!! You have to go to dual-channel to get to 32GB/64GB configurations and halve the throughput.

LPDDR5 is used in the Samsung S20 and will likely be in Apple's new non-intel laptops... LPDDR5 is a big jump in speed(1.5X) and an even bigger jump in power efficiency.