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Trump Administration Drops Plans For Mandatory Face Scans of Citizens (usnews.com) 31

schwit1 shares a report from U.S. News & World Report: The Department of Homeland Security is dropping plans to propose a regulation requiring all travelers -- including U.S. citizens -- to have their photos taken and faces scanned by facial recognition technology when entering and exiting the country, according to multiple reports. The proposed rule was slated to be issued in July of next year and would be part of a larger effort by U.S. Customs and Border Protection to better track those who enter and exit the country. Privacy advocates pointed to a June data breach as one of the reasons that the agency should not collect the information. DHS last summer acknowledged a cyberattack against a contractor that exposed the photos and license plates of nearly 100,000 people traveling in and out of the country at a border crossing.
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Trump Administration Drops Plans For Mandatory Face Scans of Citizens

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    *munch munch munch*
  • But his face was to orange an too fat and the AI couldn't identify that thing on his head, so it threw an error.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by OrangeTide ( 124937 )

      I'm surprised the reptilian conspiracy theory supporters haven't latched onto Trump's use of orange "nutmeg" foundation. [boingboing.net]. Is it simple vanity, or is it to hide his green scaly skin?

    • That "Thing" on his head is actually running the show now. If anything happens to that orange shitheel, it will be seeking a new host. None of us are safe!

    • You meant "too orange and".

      However, what actually caught my attention about this story is how it reflects the priorities of today's users of Slashdot. This outrageous story is about to fall off the front page and expire with a current grand total of 23 reactions (including this one). Meanwhile, at the other end of the front page there is a story about keyboards that has already stirred up a larger reaction.

      The Golden Rule is dead, eh? Imagine if REAL President Obama had made a proposal like this one. Can yo

  • by RyanFenton ( 230700 ) on Friday December 06, 2019 @07:53PM (#59493374)

    It really, really seems to keep the administration busy when impeachment is going on.

    Yeah - the senate is full of folks fully invested in Trump and publicly pretending like he's some demi-god assigned from heaven to lead them - which is completely absurd for what the party was founded on - but hey, again, this does keep them busy doing the Fox News dance instead of, you know, finding another beleaguered group of folks to isolate and torture with the same time.

    What is it with this insane timeline?

    Why does anyone think this administration is a reasonable way to achieve, well, anything?

    Or even to prevent anything? They're just building up steam for the next generation to have a huge long-term hate on for everything you believe in.

    It's like the ideal gameplan for creating a socialist future. Or at least a Futurama style future (they did call this the 'stupid ages'), after making the present into a literally Simpsons-style present.

    I mean, they did know all along this was Donald Trump, right? Like, that was the name on the ballot that I remember. How - how in any reality does anyone choose that as a thing to trust?

    Oh well - we voted to waste time on pointless cruelty for 4 years... so away we go. Hope you had fun so far, I guess.

    Ryan Fenton

    • The Simpsons was already modeled after the present. In the 1990s.

      Things have gotten worse.

      • I was sideways referencing this:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

        In 2000, this episode was basically looking forward to a time when Lisa/Bart were grown, but after a theoretical Trump presidency.

        Time is kind of fluid in any series that lasts this long with animated children characters.

        Of course, everyone that knew Trump from that era, including libertarians of that era knew that Trump was not someone you could trust, but he was easy to manipulate him if you fed him lines about the presidency. At least folk

    • Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • So... "orange man extra bad"? McConnell decided to play constitutional hardball in order to pack the courts. You're right, packing the courts is a very significant thing, and one of the precursors to a failed democracy. I guess you're pointing out that we shouldn't trivialize just how much damage this administration has done to our country, but preventing them from also collecting biometric data on citizens is, at least, a small win.
  • At best this is a short term reprieve and it won't be very long before the try to slide this into place again, hopefully when people are too distracted to notice. Even a court order or a constitutional amendment will only hold it back for so long. Tyranny never sleeps.
    • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      I don't get the hyperbole. Everyone going through every secured border goes through a mandatory face scan and those border crossing are all video monitored and recorded. So like what the fuck is this even all about. They make it sound like your face will be pushed into a machine and be laser scanned, rather than just a choke point with an array of cameras and any one who is not recognised is pulled aside. Exactly what happens already in analogue format but you know what, it is a real nightmare for SPY VS SP

  • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Friday December 06, 2019 @08:12PM (#59493416) Homepage

    Actually five is a bit short. If they want your photo they can just ask the FBI [aclu.org]. Or one of the other countries in the Five eyes [wikipedia.org] countries, if you've ever been to one of those. Or check their Ring surveillance network [nypost.com]. They just got a bit too much backlash, better to retreat a little here and try again. For one, they will get a new photo any time you renew your passport.

    • For one, they will get a new photo any time you renew your passport.

      And since most Americans don't have passports, that's the point of the Real ID, a centralized federal database.

      • by kenh ( 9056 )

        Except, Real ID isn't a "centralized federal database," it's a documentation standard for state-issued documents. [dhs.gov]

        • ... prohibits Federal agencies from accepting for [commercial flight], driver’s licenses and identification cards from states not meeting the Act’s minimum standards."

          If one wants to take a plane trip, one must supply to the federal TSA (US DHS), an approved Id., which is not described but must be a photographic Id.

          If the US DHS wants to build a database of identities, they can, easily. Given their power over private data by confiscating laptops and copying phones, such a database shared with other departments, is inevitable. What law prevents that happening?

        • It is also pointless.

          I don't have a "real id" and never will.

          I got my drivers license with my birth certificate. I got my passport with my non "real id" drivers license and my birth certificate which means I got my passport which is all the proof I need that I am a citizen with only a birth certificate. I got my first passport last spring.

          The "real id" compliant drivers license isn't that much harder to obtain, it is all based on easily forged documentation, it is just annoying and in my state it
          • "I don't have a "real id" and never will. .. I got my passport ..."

            That's your 'real ID' right there.

            In all the countries where they have real ID-cards, their law say some version of:
              'An Identity card can be issued to citizens not owning a passport'

      • by Kjella ( 173770 )

        And since most Americans don't have passports, that's the point of the Real ID, a centralized federal database.

        Well maybe in general they don't but I guess those entering or leaving the country do, which was the people in question here. Also at least the government claims to not be doing what you say they are:

        Q: Is DHS trying to build a national database with all of our information?
        No. REAL ID is a national set of standards, not a national identification card. REAL ID does not create a federal database of driver license information. Each jurisdiction continues to issue its own unique license, maintains its own records, and controls who gets access to those records and under what circumstances. The purpose of REAL ID is to make our identity documents more consistent and secure.

        Of course, it sounds like the FBI has already more or less aggregated it from the link above. And from a front-end perspective I would think it's a recipe for one system to verify all REAL IDs, even if they formally make one request for every state.

  • The passport book or card you carry now (and is a requirement for international travel) has scads of information about you that is maintained in DHS systems, as well as those of the countries that agree to share this information. I have used the current system frequently for years going back and forth to Canada as part of my job, with no difficulties on either side. Facial scans are an idea that is aimed at more biometric data than just fingerprints. Other countries routinely collect this data at ports of
  • The Department of Homeland Security is dropping plans to propose a regulation requiring all travelers -- including U.S. citizens -- to have their photos taken and faces scanned by facial recognition technology when entering and exiting the country, according to multiple reports.

    Is it possible to re-enter the country without state-issued photo-id or a Passport? Why is the issue taking facial scans or US citizens - who already voluntarily submitted their picture for their passport or driver's license/state ID?

    Airports have security cameras, immigration has security computers, you have to identify yourself when you enter the country, what is the issue? You can not enter the country anonymously, and facial photos of you as you pass through customs isn't an example of egregious over-r

    • by Ambvai ( 1106941 )

      The Department of Homeland Security is dropping plans to propose a regulation requiring all travelers -- including U.S. citizens -- to have their photos taken and faces scanned by facial recognition technology when entering and exiting the country, according to multiple reports.

      Is it possible to re-enter the country without state-issued photo-id or a Passport?

      Two of my cruises this year, round trip LA>Mexico and one way Canada->Boston did not have any kind of US authority check for IDs when getting off the ship... Boston was particularly lax; I didn't even spot any kind of security personnel... just the regular port authority people making sure you don't get lost on the way out.

      (Contrast with airport security in Vancouver: How the hell is a pound of salmon jerky considered a liquid, and therefore subject to the 3.4oz rule?)

    • Yes, if you don't mind talking a bit with the nice border patrol gentlemen, you can enter the U.S. via a land border (planes won't let you board the plane at the source) as long as you have some sort of proof that you are a U.S. Citizen. DL and birth certificate are obviously fastest, but if you can prove you are a citizen with docs which have no photo on them, they still must let you in. After all, you're a citizen.

      There's no requirement to have a passport in order to enter your own country (in the U.S.),

  • Have you entered this country lately? It is all done by machines which face scans everyone. Then you just hand the picture receipt to the immigration officer and they stamp you in.

  • Luckily Trump supporters never even leave their home state, let alone leave 'Murica.
    This is why he can do things like that without upsetting his base. They only care about "rights" when it impacts them personally. Like...the right to discriminate against Gays and non-whites.

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