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The Flat-Earth Conspiracy Continues To Spread Around the Globe (cnn.com) 388

An anonymous reader shares a report: "I don't want to be a flat Earther," David Weiss says, his voice weary as he reflects on his personal awakening. "Would you wake up in the morning and want everyone to think you're an idiot?" But Weiss is a flat Earther. Ever since he tried and failed to find proof of the Earth's curve four years ago, he's believed with an evident passion that our planet is both flat and stationary -- and it's turned his world upside down. [...] People in every pocket of this spherical planet are rejecting science and spreading the word that the Earth is flat. There's no clear study indicating how many people have been convinced -- and flat Earthers like Weiss will tell you without evidence there are millions more in the closet anyway, including Hollywood A-listers and commercial airline pilots -- but online communities have hundreds of thousands of followers and YouTube is inundated with flat-Earth content creators, whose productions reach millions.

A YouGov survey of more than 8,000 American adults suggested last year that as many as one in six Americans are not entirely certain the world is round, while a 2019 Datafolha Institute survey of more than 2,000 Brazilian adults indicated that 7% of people in that country reject that concept, according to local media. The flat-Earth community has its own celebrities, music, merchandise -- and a weighty catalog of pseudo-scientific theories. It's been the subject of a Netflix documentary and has been endorsed by figures including the rapper B.o.B. Each year, more flat-Earth events fill the calendar, organizers say.

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  • Welcome... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by maralatho ( 5087207 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @05:33PM (#59432428)
    ...to The Age of Stupid
    • by sit1963nz ( 934837 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @05:41PM (#59432462)
      Lets call it "Baldrick"
    • Not sure it's completely the age of stupid, but it might be the age of explanation. If only someone could come up with a good experiment that proves that the Earth is a sphere... ;)

      But seriously, if the Earth is a disk then every video that flatearthers show, where the camera is attached to a balloon and it's waaay up there spinning around, showing that the horizon is a straight line, would have to have been launched from the center point of the disk. Otherwise, the horizon would appear as farther on one

      • Lets not forget that 8km id as far as you can see, and that for every 8km the surface drops 10m. Maybe they should spend more time on the ocean.

        • It would be better for the human race if they would spend more time submerged in it.
        • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @07:00AM (#59434528)

          Lets not forget that 8km id as far as you can see, and that for every 8km the surface drops 10m.

          I wonder how many of these people live on a coastline, including on a large lake? There are so any places where you can see only the top of a distant structure across calm water, with an obvious horizon intervening.

          Besides, if the Earth were flat, cats would have already knocked everything off it.

      • C'mon we all know the earth is flat, and rides on the back of a couple of horny giant elephants riding on the back of a giant tortoise...

        God rest ye Terry Prachett

      • But it is the age of stupid. You can show them all the evidence in the world and they will still cling to their idea. They already "know the truth" and are only looking for facts that confirm their beliefs.
      • by aevan ( 903814 )
        The earth is flat. Space is just curved~
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        There was someone who proved it, 2200 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

    • Re:Welcome... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by jwhyche ( 6192 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @05:56PM (#59432554) Homepage

      Many years ago I thought about joining the Flat Earth Society. I read about them and thought they where some kind of group like the Church of the Sub genius. A club or group that doesn't take itself seriously.

      I got a hold of some of the literature, I guess my brain didn't register the full implication of what I was reading till I was half way through what I was reading. Slowly the lights came on, these idiots are for real. I guess that sometimes the brain encounters something so stupid it has a problem processing it.

      No, I didn't join but that was an hour of my life wasted .

      • by jythie ( 914043 )
        There was a sorta in between time when most of the flat earthers one would encounter online were indeed like the Church of the Sub Genious. They did not actually believe it, but they enjoyed the argument and seeing just how far they could stretch the logical consistency in their arguments.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Mr. Slippery ( 47854 )
        I think, many years ago -- like, the early 1990s, before The September The Never Ended -- the Flat Earth Society was a tongue-in-cheek group. The new incarnation (they relaunched in 2009) seems more serious.
        • Re:Welcome... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by nitehawk214 ( 222219 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:10PM (#59432632)

          When they can make money spouting bullshit on YouTube and sell tickets to conferences, they will spout bullshit on YouTube and sell tickets to conferences.

        • by crgrace ( 220738 )

          like, the early 1990s, before The September The Never Ended

          I started university, and got my first Unix account, in September 1993. I'm sorry.

          • Re:Welcome... (Score:5, Interesting)

            by jwhyche ( 6192 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:20PM (#59432710) Homepage

            You don't have anything to be sorry for. You where the kind of people that we where used to having. The September That Never Ended was caused when AOL plugged itself in to Usenet. Instead of a few hundred new users where the stupid one eventually filter themselves out leaving us with only the good ones. What we got was a endless stream of newbies every month for ever. The September That Never Ended was first spark that destroyed Usenet as a communications medium.

            But despite the name The September that Never Ended did, indeed, end. AOL finally left usenet but by then the damage was done. Usenet was done as a useful communication tool.

        • by jwhyche ( 6192 )

          That actually sounds about right. There was a newsgroup, alt.sci.flat-earth, or something like that. That would have been where I first heard about them.

      • Re:Welcome... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by sexconker ( 1179573 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:35PM (#59432786)

        these idiots are for real

        Nope. They're having a laugh. It started out as a relatively small group making a joke, and grew to a larger group engaging in fun thought experiments along the lines of "Presuming the world is flat, how could you account for...". This is what started getting them attention, and that uninformed attention and media reporting resulted in trolling (flat Earthers trolling normies). That trolling made them even more popular on the internet.

        In the process, they surely picked up a few morons who aren't in the joke. But the vast majority of them are in it for the lulz at this point, and there's still a lot of them who enjoy crafting theories that work with observational data and a flat Earth.

        • Re:Welcome... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by RazorSharp ( 1418697 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @11:26PM (#59433824)

          While I think part of what you're saying is true—that what began as a funny rhetorical exercise has turned into a form of trolling—I think you're underestimating the "few morons" that were picked up along the way. The people who actually believe this crap are the most ardent defenders because trolls are lazy. While I think some of the true believers are just stupid, I think the majority are mentally ill.

          One thing we tend to overlook when it comes to internet conspiracies is that they provide the mentally ill with obsessive outlets. But then there's people who are just stupid who also latch on to these ideas.

          I have no idea what the solution to this problem might be, or if there even is one, but I think it's important to acknowledge the consequences of Poe's law. Like 90% of the time a troll, an idiot, and a mentally ill person are indistinguishable on the internet.

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      Also, the age of long tail monetization. While there is not huge amounts of money to be made, youtube and such has really made crank theories like this into minor cash cows. And where there is money to be made, there are people who can figure out how to optimize it and get as many followers as possible.
      • It's like a troll pyramid scheme... It's trolls all the way down.... until the last layer.... they are the true idiots

    • Re:Welcome... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Dutch Gun ( 899105 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:01PM (#59432580)

      No, welcome to the age of trolls.

      My personal theory is that not one in a hundred self-professed flat Earthers actually, truly believes this nonsense, but enjoy seeing the palpable consternation of rational people twisting their brains into knots trying to figure out how people could believe something so ludicrous. Others may enjoy the challenge of coming up with preposterous theories to "prove" the earth is flat, and getting a reaction from others. Likewise, when asked in a poll, I'll bet a lot of people respond in such a way as to deliberately confound the pollsters with stupid answers like this (7% sounds reasonable). In fact, I'd wager more more people misunderstood the question or simply made a mistake in answering than truly believe the earth may be flat.

      So, sorry, I don't buy it. I'm sure there are some people that are so truly gullible or are just contrary or paranoid enough that they fall for the fake science or conspiracy nonsense, but I think the true believers are fairly rare.

      • by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:29PM (#59432762) Journal

        Could it be that they're all trolls? Like the Gary Larson cartoon: "Wait a minute, isn't anyone here a real sheep?"

      • It depends what you mean by "actually, truly believe", I think.

        You're suggesting that 99.5 out of 100 flat-earthers are just trolls and doing it for the lols. I think that number is probably more like 1/10 are trolling. You're seriously underestimating just how dumb and stupid a lot of people truly are if you think 99.5/100 people know it's fake and are just trolling.

        Of the remaining 9 in 10, probably 8 of them have some level of 'belief' that it's true, like they're just "open minded" and "I haven't seen a

      • How many people believe that 6000 years ago dinosaurs roamed the earth and helpfully used their teeth to open coconuts for us? You treat it as an individual intellectual phenomenon while it is a social phenomenon.

      • Re:Welcome... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by fatwilbur ( 1098563 ) on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @04:03AM (#59434248)
        There was a documentary about Flat Earthers on netflix and all of their followers fell into one of two groups: (1) conspiracy theorists who believed every conspiracy that ever came about, from 911 truthing to chemtrails, and (2) a large group of socially awkward people who figure out if they agree to believe some crap they instantly have a group of supportive friends. The second applies to lots of extremist orgs.
        • Personally, I identified 2 groups of "Flat Earthers". The crackpot idiots that believe the bullshit and the ones that figured out that you can have an easy income by selling the bullshit to the first group.

          Kinda like in other religions where you have believers and priests, with pretty much the same relationship.

    • by dpilot ( 134227 )

      But how can the Earth be hollow, with entry/egress holes at the poles, if it's flat?

  • The number one way it spreads is apparently via youtoob:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/st... [bbc.com]

  • NASA (Score:4, Interesting)

    by cyberchondriac ( 456626 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @05:36PM (#59432436) Journal

    So... the myriad of pictures from satellites, NASA, are all what? Fake?

    • Re:NASA (Score:4, Insightful)

      by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @05:54PM (#59432544)

      So... the myriad of pictures from satellites, NASA, are all what? Fake?

      I wasted a few minutes reading that article, so the TL;DR version is: yes, they are all fake and coordinated by a massive multi governmental conspiracy. Weather satellite images are fake, moon landing was fake, even that publicity stunt where the guy sky-dived from 110K feet (which clearly showed the curvature of the earth) was fake.

      They apparently also don't believe any business travelers have actually flown between all different parts of the globe either, since the fact that even one individual has flown from the US to Japan, from Japan to India, from India to Europe, and from Europe to America neatly disproves their "theory".

      • Personal importance bias. If you watch "Behind the Curve" that one woman on there mentions that she doesn't believe anything that hasn't happened to her personally. So if she's never traveled around the world on a few transoceanic flights or been to orbit or the moon, then she doesn't believe it can happen. She's a special kind of ignorant.

        • It's not only her, their entire ideology is based on that you can only trust your own perception and that your perception does not lie and always shows the truth. Which is funny since they always disown evidence against their theory as optical illusions :)
          • That seems less dangerous then the Christians, Jews and Muslims though. If she only believes her eyes, at least she isn't sitting there believing in a sky fairy that no on has ever seen.

            Yeah, I realize she probably is a Christian too. People aren't necessarily consistent with their own beliefs. We do amazing mental gymnastics to fit contradictory shit into our heads all the time.

      • Re:NASA (Score:5, Insightful)

        by The-Ixian ( 168184 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:26PM (#59432746)

        I love the fact that the same government that can't even stay running 100% of the time can orchestrate a *perfect*, 0 mistakes fake footage campaign across 11 presidents and several cycles of republican/democrat control of various houses of government. Not to mention bring on board every other government on Earth who will always play ball and continue the conspiracy, again, with 100% accuracy... /rolleyes

        • Re:NASA (Score:5, Interesting)

          by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:48PM (#59432868)

          I love the fact that the same government that can't even stay running 100% of the time can orchestrate a *perfect*, 0 mistakes fake footage campaign across 11 presidents and several cycles of republican/democrat control of various houses of government.

          Well, you have to realize these guys generally also believe in a shadow government (which through time has manifested itself as the "trilateral commission", the Freemasons, Templars, etc.) which has been in place for thousands of years and which actually controls the sham governments you and I see. They controlled the Pharaohs, they controlled the Caesars, and they still control the Trumps, the Merkels, and the Putins. So their counter to your statement would probably be to point to that nebulous, hidden organization.

          Layers upon layers, it's turtles all the way down.

    • by qeveren ( 318805 )
      That's part and parcel of this type of conspiracy thinking. They'll demand evidence that their position is wrong, but then immediately dismiss any evidence provided as fake.
    • Re:NASA (Score:5, Funny)

      by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:06PM (#59432606)

      So... the myriad of pictures from satellites, NASA, are all what? Fake?

      Do you mean pictures of the Coriolis Effect on weather patterns? And how they spin in different directions in the north and south?

      That is not "proof" of a round earth. The Coriolis Effect can be explained by a spinning sphere. It can also be explained by a spinning disk. Roll a ball across a spinning schoolyard roundabout and see for yourself.

      The difference is that with a sphere, it would be symmetrical in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, while the effect would be asymmetrical with a disk.

      But it is NOT symmetrical. Hurricanes and typhoons are more frequent and stronger in the Northern Hemisphere. By far.

      List of Atlantic hurricane records [wikipedia.org]

      List of the most intense tropical storms [wikipedia.org]

      Ergo, the earth is flat.

      Now, I already know what the round-earthers are going to say next: “So then why do cyclones rotate clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere and CCW in the North?”

      There is a simple and obvious explanation for this: In the Northern Hemisphere, most people drive on the right. But in the Southern Hemisphere, people in Australia, NZ, South Africa, and India, drive on the left. As cars pass in opposite directions, a vortex of air is generated between the vehicles. Since angular momentum is conserved, this spin builds up in the atmosphere, until it reaches the low-pressure cells where the cyclones form.

      The original name was actually CARiolis Effect for this reason, but it was later changed to CORiolis as part of the flat-earth coverup.

      Also, before some pedant objects and says “Yeah, but India is in the Northern Hemisphere”, let me point out that this is technically true, but the "equator" is an artifact promulgated by the round-earthers. Also, the annual monsoons carry the angular momentum of the Indian air back across the "equator "when they retreat southward at the end of the rainy season.

    • by taustin ( 171655 )

      It's stupider than that. If the earth were flat, the sun would rise everywhere at the same time (other than, perhaps, places behind mountains). You can demonstrate this with a flat surface and a flashlight. It can't be otherwise. So the existence of time zones is conclusive proof that either A) the earth is not flat, or B) other flat earthers are part of the conspiracy .

      Guess which answer the flat earthers choose.

  • Science it (Score:3, Informative)

    by chuckugly ( 2030942 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @05:36PM (#59432438)

    There are a number of experiments that a person can run, and that flat earthers HAVE run, that show the earth is not flat. If those results don't falsify their hypothesis, they won't be convinced by more experimentation.

    A couple examples:

    - The precision gyro experiment
    - The light gated through some apertures along a straight canal experiment.

    • Or the orbiting communications satellites that are responsible for connecting them to their like-minded brethren and carrying their blog postings and videos "around the globe"....
    • There are a number of experiments that a person can run...
      - The light gated through some apertures along a straight canal experiment.

      -due to the mirage effect, turns out optical experiments are a bit ambiguous. You can get the result that the Earth is flat, curved down, or even curved up, depending on whether there's a temperature inversion.

      An easier experiment: find a friend who lives 1000 miles or more away. Find a day when the sky is clear. Exactly when the sun touches the horizon, phone them and ask whether the sun is on the horizon for them, too.

      (if the friend is located due north or south, you have to do this near the equinoxes,

      • Point being, if Aristotle could figure it out, surely one of these geniuses could do it too, if they really had an open mind.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by LenKagetsu ( 6196102 )
      You could literally put these deformed incest babies into a literal space rocket, launch them into the sky, and drag it back down, and they would say "Nasa hacked the windows".
    • Maybe theyre just living in a different Matrix simulation than the rest of us? Lol

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by dlleigh ( 313922 )

      Even easier: a couple of protractors and a phone call.

      Caller 1 (in New York): I measure the north star at 40 degrees above the horizon.
      Caller 2 (in Miami): I measure the north star at 25 degrees above the horizon.

      Hmmm... how could that be possible on a flat earth? Oh, I forgot. The entire sky is a giant projection screen onto which God displays round-earth consistent lies to fool the evil, atheist scientists. Because God. A flat earth, with aforementioned screen, is proof that God exists and loves us. Someh

    • by qeveren ( 318805 )
      I wonder if they have an explanation for stellar parallax that's even slightly parsimonious.
    • Also - spending a few bucks and sending a camera to the edge of space on a balloon and observing the curvature on the camera's pictures. Unless of course you think The Men In Black "got" to your camera between the time it left your hands in the balloon and when you recovered it a couple hours later of course.

  • since he tried and failed

    Well, at least he tried, let's give him that. Next time, maybe he should do it with his eyes open.

    OTOH, I don't believe we'll colonize any other planets -- the gravity well is just too deep. I hope I'm wrong, but I tried to throw and keep a ball up in the air and failed, so that's that.

  • by dskoll ( 99328 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @05:38PM (#59432446) Homepage

    This is why the GPS system (predicated on a more-or-less spherical Earth) is such a miserable failure and never works.

  • But, the earth is round. One has to reject so much convincing evidence to accept a 3000 year old writing that the earth is round.
  • Airline pilots? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Kernel Kurtz ( 182424 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @05:44PM (#59432482)

    Any pilot who thinks the earth is flat should in no way have any sort of flying license. That's just scary.

  • by redmasq ( 4395537 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @05:46PM (#59432500)
    Then cats would have already pushed everything off of the surface.

    Humor aside, goto an area of land of level elevation (colloquially known as "flat") that has a tall tower and then drive a ways from it; once you get far enough away, besides become "smaller," in spite of the land being "flat," you see less and less of the base. I wonder why...
  • "I don't want to be a flat Earther," David Weiss says, ...

    ... so don't be one, ding-dong, simple as that.

    Ever since he tried and failed to find proof of the Earth's curve four years ago, ...

    You mean ever since he failed to believe established facts and actual evidence?

    • It is interesting how many people there are that think that because they can't understand something, it can't be understood.
  • This is what makes humanity great. We like to hedge our bets and send mental explorers out on all sorts of weird tangents. Sometimes they work out and we call the person a genius. Other times, well, it doesn't work out.
  • by nnet ( 20306 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @05:54PM (#59432542) Journal
    So...where IS the edge, and all the photos and videos of it?
    • So...where IS the edge, and all the photos and videos of it?

      Presumably there is some sort of wall (maybe a force field LOL) to keep people from falling off and prevent the oceans from draining........

      • Or maybe it's like those old Sierra On-Line games, where going too far on either side seamlessly loops you back to the other side.

      • So...where IS the edge, and all the photos and videos of it?

        Presumably there is some sort of wall (maybe a force field LOL) to keep people from falling off and prevent the oceans from draining........

        And here I thought no one could beat the Zero to Stupid speed record set by Scientology's story of Xenu.

        I was wrong.

      • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *
        This question was definitively answered by the Norse. The "wall" is of course Jörmungandr, the Midgard world serpent. Shame on you.
  • From TFA:

    he community merely believes that space does not exist, the world sits still and the moon landing was faked. The jury is out on gravity -- but as Davidson notes, no one has ever seen it.

    *smacks forehead*

  • A sphere? A flat disc? You're all morans.

    There is only one conspiracy that everyone can agree on: the Earth is a cube!

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:10PM (#59432630)
    whether the earth is flat, square, round or whatever has zero impact on anything that matters for people not involved in certain fields of science, which he is not.

    I see this with lots of out there groups and hobbies. Cults are one. And pipe (smoking) clubs. And gun clubs. And table top gaming.

    What they all have in common is they're a community that is under some form of outside attack or pressure. I'll leave it up to the read if the attacks are justified or not, but the fact remains that when you've got a community that has strong opposition of one kind or another they tend to accept all comers. e.g. it doesn't matter how much of a spaz, nerd or freak you are, there's someone out there who will accept you as is if only to have another body to fight the good fight.

    There's a kind of nerd who is a nerd not because they're introverts like me, but instead because they lack social graces. As a nerd I've met many of them, and they're among the most unfortunate people on earth. The Extroverted Nerd's in for a nasty life. Unlike regular introverted nerds who don't usually want to be around people all that much they're only comfortable around folks. But folks aren't comfortable around them. Sometimes because they're physically unattractive, sometimes because of their sexuality (being a transexual nerd is not a tough lot in life), or sometimes because they can't read a room or body language in the slightest.

    I've watch these nerds over the years seek out human companionship, and they always end up in a group that's facing some sort of adversity. It can be dangerous when they're recruited for some of the nastier things out there. Hell, the flat earth is harmless in comparison to the white supremacists, race realists and actual religious cults.

    Still, I'd like to live in a word where none of this happens.
  • Marketing Scheme (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Psion ( 2244 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:12PM (#59432648)
    A friend of mine, in response to my own theory that most of the active body of the Flat Earth Society are just troll'n the rest of us, likes to maintain that it's a way to gather names for mailing lists of gullible people to whom one can market get-rich schemes, homeopathic cures, magical crystals, and books about the dangers of vaccinating your kids. Such mailing lists must be like gold mines to certain publishers and marketers.
  • by bugs2squash ( 1132591 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:14PM (#59432672)

    For all I know there is some conformal mapping or alternative geometry that can represent a moving, rotating sphere as a stationary plane and the laws of physics can be transformed to make the math all work out for all the observable objects in motion upon and around it.

    Maybe it would be a useful way to visualize some problems. But if such a mapping exists then why not accept the convention of a near-spherical earth as being equivalent?

    Unless you really have another agenda altogether that has nothing to do with a search for truth.

  • by liwy ( 6194776 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:21PM (#59432718)
    I once asked my grandfather, a man that lived his whole life in the countryside if the Earth was a sphere. He said yes. And I've asked how do you now that? You've only need, if you're really poor and lonely, one stick. You put the stick on the ground and measure the shadow. Then, the next day at the same time do it again on some other place (if there's a few kilometers apart, the better). Then it's just some very basic calculations. He also told me, that with and additional measure you could disprove that the Earth is flat. He was a very religious man, that was from a generation that still observed and lived in contact with the nature. Contrary to popular belief no one in antiquity believed the Earth was flat. apart from myths. And I wonder if it was 'cause people, back then, had the time to observe and the knowledge of living in contact with nature every day. Right now we've a bunch of morons, and every day one new is born, that the only think they know is how to put crappy videos on Youtube explaining the last crazy shit that has come into their brains.
  • by SirAstral ( 1349985 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:44PM (#59432842)

    I hear more about Flat Earth from Slashdot than any other place on the net. In fact I think here and reddit are the only places talking about it. Do you folks have nothing better to do than rage against people that believe stupid things? At which point are you going to realize that you are now part of the problem of the spread of this ideology?

    Streisand Effect? Do you feel me?

  • Flat earth trap (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Socguy ( 933973 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @07:58PM (#59433172)
    As someone who has been watching the FE movement for a little while now, my perspective has changed on the adherents. At first I thought that FE members simply didn't understand the evidence for a globe. But that clearly can't be true. We have actual photos, on film, taken of the globe. There is a livestream HD feed right from the ISS. For a movement that likes to tell its adherents to 'believe your eyes' that's got to be a pretty hard to circle to square, but they do.

    At the end of the day, FE believers don't believe in the globe because they simply don't WANT to believe the earth is a globe. There is no evidence you can provide, no proof you can supply that will change their minds. At best, all the debunking simply serves to educate 3rd party observers who are not knowledgeable about science and are curious about the questions that FE's pose. Now, the people who are heavily involved in spreading FE clearly have a financial motive. Their youtube channels and merchandise sales and now conferences provide a steady stream of income.

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