Resumes Are Starting To Look Like Instagram -- and Sometimes Even Tinder (wsj.com) 138
An anonymous reader shares a report: The stodgiest of business documents is in the midst of its most extreme makeover yet -- whether employers want it or not [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled]. Gone are the utilitarian, black-and-white documents covered in bullet points. As Gen Z enters the workforce, companies are seeing digital CVs filled with artistic flourishes, including illustrations of college mascots, logos of past employers and icons to denote hobbies such as home renovation and watching movies. Job seekers have been striving for years to make their resumes stand out from the pile. While earlier generations played with eye-catching print fonts and horizontal lines, today's tech-savvy young people have a new arsenal of tricks. Many throw in headshots. Some add bitmojis, the personalized avatars used in text messages and on social media.
Might as well (Score:5, Interesting)
Might as well make resumes just the logos of school and places you've worked. Recruiters don't read them anyway, they just do blind keyword searches. And once a recruiter calls, there's no further point in your resume.
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Idiocracy in Progress.
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It's got the electrolytes recruiters crave!
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(Opens a resume that's a bunch of instagram-like pictures)
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Some of us refuse to deal with "recruiters". We want high paying good job and that is not how you get one. Cut out the middleman, most those "recruiters" are in some third world toilet working off third or more hand job posting, hoping they can contact the employer and insert themselves into the deal. That's why you should get off linkedin too.
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In software development, all the top-paying companies (or at least those big enough to make lists of such) have their own recruiters, and it's very difficult to get hired there any other way. Referrals are at least a dice roll, but I've sometimes had trouble even getting people to look at referrals except for senior roles.
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The company's own people are a different matter, I was talking about recruiting firms and third world wanna-be that just do auto buzzword searches and automated emails every day, they are useless scum. Never ever got a job from one of those in the 25 years they've been around.
What does work is having your own web site and resume there, that's invaluable and gets the high paying jobs. Forget dice, linkedin, monster, etc.
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Own web site? Why is that important for anything unless the job is about web site design?
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Hmm, referrals used to be the best way to get hired (if not at executive level), it can get the resume past the clueless HR filters. It helps break ties for sure, the unknown person with a potentially fudged resume versus an employee who's says the candidate was a good worker in the past.
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I don't have a lot of experience with general recruiters, but in my line of work (videogames), industry-specific recruiters are generally US-based and seem to be a bit more on the ball. They do a lot of the legwork for me and find opportunities I might have missed, especially when I wasn't necessarily looking for them.
I've also had better luck with LinkedIn than you apparently have - or at least your perception of LinkedIn, if you haven't actually used it. I've gotten several great jobs / contracts throug
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I had linkedin for over 10 years until Microsoft buyout announced, then I dropped it. Industries and job experience include high energy physics, engineering (electrical and nuclear) and IT. Linkedin utterly useless with low quality recruiting contacts only, and my IT friends (sysadmin, SAN, network engineers) find the same thing
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I've certainly seen a couple of idiot recruiters, like: Hey, are you interested in xxxx technology? Which CLEARLY has nothing at all to do with my skill set. Why even bother with that? Ignored. Another irritation: random people I've never met and are not related to me or my profession in any way, sending me connection invites? Who in the world does that, and why? Again, ignored.
Despite those minor annoyances, I think LinkedIn has been helpful to my career overall. I guess you need to judge that on an
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Most of the Job Opportunities from these recruiters are these 1099 jobs.
I am not interested in 1099 work, just W2 work. Yes, I may get paid more for a 1099 job. However I am always paying attention to my contract end time, and benefits are hard to find.
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It's not real. You have to be logged in to post "anonymously" now. If you're logged in, are you really all that anonymous? Fuck no.
Slashdot has been captured by the Surveillance State. Who wants to bet that the CIA/FBI/NSA/GQHQ/Mossad has a special login at Slashdot where all the "Anonymous Coward" postings are showing the actual accounts used to post anonymously, along with all the IP addresses, browser identifications, etc?
Honestly, I think it's a decent compromise. It keeps the APKs of the world out of the forum and away from spamming everything yet still allows slightly-less-nonymous" posting (if not anonymous).
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Honestly, I think it's a decent compromise. It keeps the APKs of the world out of the forum and away from spamming everything yet still allows slightly-less-nonymous" posting (if not anonymous).
There really isn't anything that stops a person from registering a new account here. Maybe it cleans out the low effort trolls, but it doesn't do anything to stop them. There're still even plenty of accounts that don't even bother to post the spam anonymously. Anonymous posts before still would have had IP addresses tied to them, so the only additional information someone gets now is the made up name and throw-away email address used to register it.
Perhaps the best compromise would be a ten or fifteen mi
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Honestly, I think it's a decent compromise. It keeps the APKs of the world out of the forum and away from spamming everything yet still allows slightly-less-nonymous" posting (if not anonymous).
It's only anonymous when the post is unidentifiable and as I usually browse at -1 to see dissenting opinion it is unlikely those voices will express those ideas. I hate the spam from the lulzfoolz as well 'unidentified user' is different from 'anonymous coward' however my brain has found it's own way to simply filter out the rubbish from the occasional gold nugget of information.
You have to accept it for all of it's warts to get the true sense of human nature because any filters on free speech *at all* i
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It's not real. You have to be logged in to post "anonymously" now. If you're logged in, are you really all that anonymous? Fuck no.
Slashdot has been captured by the Surveillance State. Who wants to bet that the CIA/FBI/NSA/GQHQ/Mossad has a special login at Slashdot where all the "Anonymous Coward" postings are showing the actual accounts used to post anonymously, along with all the IP addresses, browser identifications, etc?
Fine with me. Fuck AC, they didn't add anything substantive to the conversation anyway. It was all "L0lz l0ser FAGGS" etc.
They can go spew their "anonymous" bile somewhere else. If I wanted to read thoughtless drivel I'd follow Trump on Twitter.
Stand out to toss (Score:2)
Yeah, they're going to stand out as an easy way to know which resume's I'd probably want to toss in the trash; thanks for making that easier!
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Seen LinkedIn in the past few years? Each job you've worked is now a logo, and a tweet-sized amount of text. There's no room any more for actual accomplishments. Even the actual "accomplishments" section, where you can list papers published and patents and the like, has been minimized and forced to the bottom.
Not sure what to make of all that. I'm proud of all the accomplishments on my actual resume, but I doubt anyone would actually read it these days. Recruiters seem to contact me just based on the c
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I want to see your accomplishments once you're already at least in the second round. The first round around I want to make sure I can weed out all those that don't even fit the rough bill.
I'll scroll down to the accomplishments once I know that you have the basics in. And for that I do indeed prefer the telegram style. Imagine having to read 100 resumes top to bottom, it's not like that's all I have to do today...
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The first round around I want to make sure I can weed out all those that don't even fit the rough bill.
What do you mean, the answers in a covering letter?
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Many years ago, I applied for a report developer position, so I attached my resume as a standard CV format, and then added an URL to a Tableau Public report showing my skills change over time. I thought it might be a nice addition. They called me to inquire as to what does the URL represent. Considering it was painfully obvious what it was, I told them I am no longer interested in that position.
Re:Stand out to toss (Score:5, Interesting)
You could have just as easily explained your skill set and offer to provide examples.
That employer dodged a bullet.
"whether employers want it or not" (Score:2)
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articulate what makes them special
In an field of nigh (when not effectively outright) robo-recruiting, "articulations" don't do any better.
A block of invisible text loaded with keywords does.
Yes, "good places to work" do this shit too.
Are they printing it? (Score:5, Insightful)
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>>The talent management systems are supposed to stip out
The system is supposed to automate (cut costs). Any other useful consequences are just as incidental as the detrimental ones (mostly to (1) applicants enduring the cancer (2) compromised efficacy of hiring process output)
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their new fancy resume has something that reflects their race/gender/politics WHICH HAS NO PLACE ON A RESUME!
But how else is the employer supposed to make sure they hire the right diversity candidates?
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Eventually someone reads it, and being easy to read is very useful. In the interview itself, people are printing them out for sure. Better to show as an interviewer up with a pad of paper and a resume rather than a laptop or tablet.
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So I can not even easily scroll to whatever part interests me but I have to sit through the whole drivel?
NEXT!
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So much this. Text is wonderful for checking up on details and looking for specific keywords.
See also game walkthroughs.
Still got to get through bot-screeners (Score:3, Insightful)
This may be just the ticket once you get a recruiter or hiring manager's attention, but only if the recruiter or hiring manager "gets" the lingo and isn't turned off by it.
Looking for a job with as small company run by people less than 10 years older than you who get the lingo, or by people who want to appear "hip"? You might land an interview.
Trying to get through the HR screening process at a big company that hasn't gone to the effort to teach their computers how to interpret emojis and icons? Fail.
Trying to get a job where the hiring manager is from your father's generation and he sees such things as juvenile? Fail.
Every time you send out a resume or c.v., it should be considered a one-off and should be tailored to your target audience. If that means icons and emojis, great. If that means something that can get through an automated filter, fine. If that means typed up on Courier 12 on typing paper and mailed in with a stamp like you did 40 years ago, so be it.
Re:Still got to get through bot-screeners (Score:4, Interesting)
Every time you send out a resume or c.v., it should be considered a one-off and should be tailored to your target audience. If that means icons and emojis, great. If that means something that can get through an automated filter, fine. If that means typed up on Courier 12 on typing paper and mailed in with a stamp like you did 40 years ago, so be it.
That's a great plan... except for the general case where each application now takes six hours to fill out the web form, rewrite my resume, export it to PDF, upload to the application site, re-read the parsed text to find OCR errors, fix the original document, repeat the OCR process until it's reliably correct, get logged out because it took too long to submit a complete application, log back in, find the job listing again, fill out the form again, submit the final PDF, then finally submit the complete application.
After that great effort, you've now submitted one of a hundred applications to a given job, processed by a third-party HR firm that doesn't understand the skills involved. They're going to filter the resume by keywords, often misspelled or misunderstood. They're not going to look at the actual resume until they can hand if a nice pre-screened candidate list to the hiring manager for review. They're not going to tell you why your application was rejected, or even how far in the screening process you got, so you have no feedback for improvement. If you're lucky, they'll tell you someone else got the job.
I have a full-time job already. I have a toddler at home, and I have housework to be done. No, I'm not going to take the time to craft an artisan resume for a mechanized process that won't care, on the 1000-to-1 chance that a human might see it.
Sure, there are exceptions to the rule. I once got a job far outside my usual field, and I built a resume for that job specifically. Generally speaking, though, there's no return on the time investment to carefully build tailored resumes. For the time it takes to slightly improve my odds with one application, I can apply to ten more. Mathematics wins out, and it's better for me to just apply to everything with the same broadly-applicable resume.
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You don't get your job because you've done the busy work. You get the job because you know someone or have made an impression with someone that matters at the place you want to get the job at. The resume is not to get you in the door, it's a test. Nobody cares what's actually on the resume, because you've already talked to the right people and told them everything they want to know about your background. What they need to know is if you are willing to pay attention to detail and put in the effort despite th
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When I was searching for work, many years ago, I applied to one place where I got an interview and a standard 'your application was not successful letter. I later learned that the whole process had been a sham: They had always intended to promote a certain person internally from a lower position, but needed to go through the appearance of an open recruitment process for some legal reason.
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I sort of agree, I don't think I've ever seen a resume that was highly tailored to the specific job. I'm sure I saw some that may have been slighlty tweaked to emphasize some skills over others. But once you've got a good resume there should be nothing needed to be tailoreed for a particular position unless you're targeting really different types of jobs; which may be the case for entry level jobs to be fair. The LOOK of the resume should not have any reason to change unless you're doing something related
Everything old is new again (Score:2)
Logos for employers and certifications was something I did with my resume in the 1990s. Headshots go back even further.
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Questionable Tactic (Score:3)
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There are other careers that appreciate creativity or head shots, I was just looking over the post curious how many would apply this to only their field.
No one cares in my field they want easily readable lists with bullet points that they can quickly search.
Straight to trash (Score:5, Insightful)
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Possibly this is the old problem of applying for entry level jobs when you have little to no real experience and you're desparate to try to fill up one page.
Do we really think.... (Score:2)
...the programs that scan for the requisite keywords care for any of that crap?
Nope.
Nope. I'm not. (Score:4, Insightful)
If your resume looks like it was written by a 14 year old girl's love letter to (insert current teeny heartthrob here), rest assured it will not be considered.
Maybe try to find work in PR or marketing. Here, we need to get work done.
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If your resume looks like it was written by a 14 year old girl's love letter to (insert current teeny heartthrob here), rest assured it will not be considered.
OTOH, if it looks like it was typeset with LaTeX, it will definitely get some positive attention!
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If your resume looks like it was written by a 14 year old girl's love letter to (insert current teeny heartthrob here), rest assured it will not be considered.
Maybe try to find work in PR or marketing. Here, we need to get work done.
Hopefully somebody knows how to properly explain your productivity to your management in terms they understand.
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"I will make your company lots of money. Hire me".
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Here, we need to get work done.
That would be, if I am charitable, sub 30% of work force?
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In Silicon Valley your boss may be a 14 year old girl.
They are starting to look like ads... (Score:3)
... because they are.
It would be interesting if some companies with access to a lot of resumes and their success rates start doing analytics to show what really works. Ad-tech should work with resumes too.
Have these people applied for work? (Score:2)
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I've talked with someone who has hired people with what I'll call "people talents" (and I mean that in a good way). After the misfits are weeded out by someone else, she gets a stack of a dozen or so printed resumes that she leafs through. She says the flashy ones--color bars, icons and so forth--do grab her attention, positively. And she is btw definitely a good manager, not a fake.
I on the other hand work in a very techy business. I would be flabbergasted to see color or icons in any of the resumes (C
My Resume? The real thing you can touch (Score:2)
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I simply say 'I will not say much. I will pass this around and let it speak for me.' Then I hand my sculpture to the person closest to me and then sit down. My one minute session ends about 40 seconds before the bell goes off.
So... you're not a people person.
Might work in 10 years (Score:2)
Better than some we get. (Score:2)
Also headshot get to be a legal issue because it can used for discrimination purposes. that and including pictures of your family are just a good way to get your resume tossed by HR.
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The real bad things is the recent use of profanity in resume. We get that alot.
Really? That's a new one for me. How does that even?
When Gen Z starts hiring... (Score:2)
Headshots (Score:3)
Many throw in headshots.
While it may seem innocuous to include a headshot, there is good reason why this had been traditionally frowned upon. Simply put, displaying your skin colour on a résumé opens up the possibility of racial bias in hiring.
Re:Headshots (Score:4, Interesting)
Not to mention the "are they good-looking" factor for charisma-based jobs, although I suppose if you're not, then failing to get the interview might actually be doing you a favor.
Re:Headshots (Score:5, Funny)
Reminds me of an old joke...
A guy is interviewing three women for an office job. He places a $20 bill on the floor in front of his desk, and in front of the chair where the candidates will sit.
When the first woman sits down, she immediately hands him the bill and says "You must have dropped this".
The second woman places her purse over the bill as she sits down, and after the interview the bill is gone.
The third woman clearly glances at the bill, but says and does nothing about it.
Q: Which one did he hire?
A: The one with the biggest tits.
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Diverted by your sig:
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
No one cares about the trivial zeros. Everyone is searching for the nontrivial zero whose real component is not 1/2... (Actually, I think it would have to be a quad.)
Trash (Score:4, Informative)
If you include a headshot, a way to identify age or sex (or gender) or race, or anything else that's protected, your resume is going in the trash without any consideration.
Consideration that has that information available will be accused of being biased one way or the other. This is why serious employers make you fill out a fairly rigid form and keep everything as boilerplate as possible until it's time for interviews.
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My realname identifies me as male. Some people have names that identify their race, or at least the fact that they probably aren't WASPs. Maybe they should allow semi-anonymous handles like on /. and other forums. :)
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The most legally cautious organizations get HR to redact that information before it reaches the person making the decision. This is not a common practice though.
Photo == Failure (Score:2)
Maybe it's changed, but last time I was in an HR college course (circa 2009 IIRC), there were many situations (government oriented jobs come to mind) where HR department guidelines indicated that if a photo of the applicant was included, it was immediately rejected. The reasoning behind it was that they were attempting to avoid any risk of appearing to not hire based upon race.
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" The reasoning behind it was that they were attempting to avoid any risk of appearing to not hire based upon race."
Well there goes affirmative action aka diversity plan.
Stright into trash pile (Score:2)
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You're wrong about why you should reject them. They're probably not narcissistic so much as naïve, and following the advice of the counselor at their university - who hasn't applied for a job in decades, and has never hired anyone in their lives. Or a headhunter who is just as clueless. It's mind boggling, the amount of bad advice on how to find a job that's out there. It even shows up on Slashdot.
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"It's mind boggling, the amount of bad advice on how to find a job that's out there. It even shows up on Slashdot." I'd like to say it shows up in the post immediately above mine, but I can't: I agree with you. Hopefully it won't show up in the post immediately below yours.
Greenbar (Score:2)
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I'd like my resume to be all caps, on tractor-fed greenbar paper, from a line printer. It would fit my skill set better.
I write my resumes in invisible ink to fit my skill set better.
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I'd like my resume to be all caps, on tractor-fed greenbar paper, from a line printer. It would fit my skill set better.
I write my resumes in invisible ink to fit my skill set better.
I write mine in 8point text to fit everything in.
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That would actually be pretty awesome and attention-getting, if there were any use for paper resumes any more.
To make your resume stand out ... (Score:2)
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Do you know someone who still accepts paper resumes? I mean some places word docs ... maybe.. but even then most of them are read into a database for searching.
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and format it like a subpoena?
They like social media, tells a lot about you. (Score:2)
...While anyone can put some text on some paper, it really doesn't show the real you.
I sent hundreds of resume's often with a lot of work involved in investigating the companies I wanted to work for, yet never got a response.
However, when I sent a link to my youtube channel, I got a response and an interview each time, and it landed me my job in my late 40's. So yeah, there's something about that.
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that's very interesting.... What kind of jobs were you applying for?
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They like social media because it's cheaper than a background check as a way to check for any awkward social or political views or sordid past that may disrupt the work community or bring the company into disrepute.
Shows how immature those applicants are. (Score:2)
Interviewing is hard enough (Score:2)
Eh. I don't really care... (Score:4, Informative)
Fine, you want to make your resume stand out... fine. BUT you'd better have some kind of substance beyond all the visual garbage.
Yeah, I might think "this person is a tool" if they post emojis on their resume, but I need to find good people who are willing and able to do the work.
Just like typos and misspelled words, it's a red flag. None of them are deal-killers on their own, but at some point those red flags add up and your resume will hit the can.
Here are some other Don'ts I've seen over the years:
- Don't give me a 21 page resume. (yes, I had one)
- Don't have a dozen different fonts and size of fonts in your resume, especially in the SAME bullet lists.
- Don't randomly capitalize things, or include or omit punctuation as you see fit at random.
- Don't copy/paste the same 20 bullet items into each job you had, even if you are doing the same thing.
- Don't put menial tasks as a bullet - yeah, I get it, you checked your code into git. Of course you did, you don't have to tell me that, and it doesn't need to be a bullet on every job.
- Don't tell me excruciating detail - like that you have experience in Win98, WinXP, WinNT, Win2000, Win8, Win10. Nobody cares. Say "All Windows versions since 98" or something more succinct. UNLESS version is somehow relevant.
--- caveat: I have been working since the early 90s... and have a section for some of the obscure/old technology I have used. It is labeled as such, just to give whomever may be looking at it a conversation point. Which has worked for me because the hiring manager used to work on old-tech-XYZ as well back in the day.
- If I talk to you, don't just read off your resume to me. Give me something OTHER than what is on there.
- Don't lie on your resume. Had a guy who had "Experience designing, coding, and deploying to AWS". When I asked him to tell me more about his experience on AWS, he said "I have never used AWS". *plonk*
As a hiring manager, I don't like dealing with recruiters either. But they range from really good to abysmal in my experience. And they are often overworked. I was irritated with one I worked with for being unresponsive about candidates. Then I found out that he was supporting 12 other hiring managers and was working on about 60 positions! I cut him a little slack after that. But it didn't make my job any easier.
The recruiting process is way too long, and nobody ever seems to have enough time to handle it with the right sense of urgency. I've lost people because of how long it takes. It weird, I've seen it really get fast-tracked (my current job, I was hired in 2 weeks from first interview). I had interviewed at the same company the year prior to getting hired, and it was 4 weeks from submission to 1st interview, and 4 months after that for 2nd interview... and I never heard anything back from them. A good recruiter would have let me know, but many times they rely on "the system" for their communication, which may never happen. Just recently I got an email decline from a job I applied for at a big bank 6+ months ago.
So I get why people want to stand out in the hiring process... just make sure it's for the right reasons!
Re:Eh. I don't really care... (Score:5, Interesting)
In regards to lying on a resume, always bring your resume to the interview or offer to email it to them if a phone interview. Many recruiters change your resume (even if you submit PDFs). I found this out after wondering why so many candidates we interviewed had items on their resumes they had no experience in. I starting asking the candidates to send me a 'fresh' copy of their resume directly. The differences were sometimes huge. Unfortunately I couldn't convince my company to stop using the recruiters.
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Unfortunately I couldn't convince my company to stop using the recruiters.
That doesn't sound right. What company likes being lied to? In my experience, when a recruiter does something shifty, you let them know right away. They aren't coworkers who you have to see every day, so if they are doing something immoral you tell them right away.
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In regards to lying on a resume, always bring your resume to the interview or offer to email it to them if a phone interview. Many recruiters change your resume (even if you submit PDFs). I found this out after wondering why so many candidates we interviewed had items on their resumes they had no experience in. I starting asking the candidates to send me a 'fresh' copy of their resume directly. The differences were sometimes huge. Unfortunately I couldn't convince my company to stop using the recruiters.
I think by recruiter you mean a headhunter working on behalf of the candidate, and not a recruiter in the company you work for - because I have never heard of that.
I am ALWAYS more suspicious of headhunters because they have a vested interest in making the candidates look as good as possible. The situation I was referring to wasn't that.
The only time I liked using headhunters/agencies is when we had to hire 40+ people - developers/testers/project managers for a big new project. We had 5 agencies come to u
Um no ... (Score:2)
I guess if you don't want to get hired. MOST employers with more then 100 employees want scanned documents they can search in plain text format because they go in a database. They search for key words BEFORE they read the resume. Many HR execs simply throw out anything foolish looking. I guess if you don't want to work for 'that kind of company' that ok too. Just don't expect to get hired ... possibly at all, and certainly not by any company large enough to provide good pay and job security.
FYI
Re:Um no ... (Score:4, Insightful)
The real secret is to build a network of contacts. I have not applied for a job in at least a decade. My contacts refer me to roles. The resume is often just required during the hiring process, but is almost never required until I have a offer. My resume looks the same as it did in 2003 (with new roles added and roles older than 10 years dropped) and it hasn't hurt my job prospects one bit.
Resumes are the worst way to get a job, networking is where it is at.
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I guess if you don't want to get hired. MOST employers with more then 100 employees want scanned documents they can search in plain text format because they go in a database. They search for key words BEFORE they read the resume. Many HR execs simply throw out anything foolish looking. I guess if you don't want to work for 'that kind of company' that ok too. Just don't expect to get hired ... possibly at all, and certainly not by any company large enough to provide good pay and job security.
After interviewing a lot of candidates for software-engineering positions, my resume rules are:
- Document name should contain your name in it, and possibly the position you are applying for. "Document.PDF" or "Resume.PDF" isn't great, because the recruiter and/or interviewer probably have 1000 of those in their Downloads folder already.
- Resume should be a PDF file, and the text should contain a link to the PDF file. Recruiting has a belief that their scraping software works well for DOC f
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Prediction: Most of these will look like... (Score:2)
.. trash.
Not everyone's a graphics designer but everyone will try to be one in an effort to not be the last person with a black-text-on-white-paper resume and the results will not be pretty. I'm guessing that a lot of them will remind us of some bad Geocities web sites from the past. If they post them online I expect a lot of animated GIFs.
It wasn't too many years ago that HR professionals told everyone to stop putting head shots on your resumes. Most of them didn't look that good and the potential for di
The hipster in me... (Score:3)
Wants to update my resume to look like a MySpace page covered in animated GIFs, marquee scroll, snow flurries, and MIDI background music.
Randomness (Score:2)
I used to know a hiring manager who would take all the resumes for a particular position and randomly throw half of them in the trash.
"I don't want to hire unlucky people," he would say.