The Trillion-Dollar Taboo: Why It's Time To Stop Ignoring Mental Health at Work (ft.com) 221
Experts in workplace psychology overwhelmingly agree that burnout is a growing public health crisis. An excerpt from a long report: When the FT set out to investigate this issue, we asked readers to describe how their employers handle mental health issues, including stress, burnout, anxiety and depression. More than 450 people responded from 43 countries. Although they were a self-selecting group, their responses were significant: the majority felt unsupported, alienated or discriminated against on the basis of their mental health. Two-thirds believed their work had a somewhat to extremely negative effect on their health, and 44 per cent said they did not think mental health was taken seriously by their organisation. Half said they either didn't know where at work to go, or had nowhere to go if they needed support.
Even as many companies strengthen their policies to close the gender pay gap and end sexual harassment, mental wellbeing often remains an afterthought. "This is not about buying Fitbits for employees and teaching them deep breathing so we can pile on more work," says Donna Hardaker, a workplace mental health specialist at Sutter Health, a not-for-profit healthcare network. "You must address the micro and the macro. There is a deeply entrenched cultural idea that workplaces are fine; it's the employees who are the problem. But employers have a social responsibility to not be harming the people who are working within their walls."
A failure to support employees is also costing companies a fortune: an estimated 615 million people suffer from depression and anxiety and, according to a recent World Health Organisation study, this costs an estimated $1tn in lost productivity every year. Companies that do not have systems in place to support the wellbeing of their employees have higher turnover, lower productivity and higher healthcare costs, according to the American Psychological Association. They also face significant legal risks.
Even as many companies strengthen their policies to close the gender pay gap and end sexual harassment, mental wellbeing often remains an afterthought. "This is not about buying Fitbits for employees and teaching them deep breathing so we can pile on more work," says Donna Hardaker, a workplace mental health specialist at Sutter Health, a not-for-profit healthcare network. "You must address the micro and the macro. There is a deeply entrenched cultural idea that workplaces are fine; it's the employees who are the problem. But employers have a social responsibility to not be harming the people who are working within their walls."
A failure to support employees is also costing companies a fortune: an estimated 615 million people suffer from depression and anxiety and, according to a recent World Health Organisation study, this costs an estimated $1tn in lost productivity every year. Companies that do not have systems in place to support the wellbeing of their employees have higher turnover, lower productivity and higher healthcare costs, according to the American Psychological Association. They also face significant legal risks.
Millennial Headlines (Score:2, Insightful)
"Why it's time to stop X"
"We need to all agree on Y"
"No, Z isn't what you thought"
These are good indicators of a waste of time.
people with cold/flu (Score:1)
i would settle for somehow just sending those with the cold for flu home.
why must they come to work when sick.
why are these always the people who have no sick leave cause they use their sick leave when they are healthy to skip work, but then come in sick and infect everyone else
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Re:people with cold/flu (Score:4, Insightful)
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Add to that the childish behaviour of asking for a doctors note.
Driving when you are sick to get to a doctor is pretty much stupid when all you really need to do is rest.
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Not to mention a waste of the doctor's time [www.cbc.ca] and a risk to everyone you meet during your trip to the doctor.
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As well as use it or lose it policies possibly coupled with difficulty getting time off approved so that if you don't use it early you may not be able to get it.
Don't you dare take away... (Score:1)
... my reasons for going postal! It's the American Way[tm]!
Time (Score:5, Insightful)
"You see a tunnel with a bright light take a break (Score:3, Funny)
because dying on the job is like stealing from the company."
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because dying on the job is like stealing from the company."
It depends on how many pay periods occur before someone notices someone died on the job...
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HR practice to fix the issue (Score:4, Funny)
Re:HR practice to fix the issue (Score:5, Insightful)
don't hire crazy people. That will fix the issue.
You have apparently never worked in Academia or in an organization with high numbers of PHDs.
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I have. People in companies are fucking nuts as well. Perhaps in different ways from, say, mathematicians, but no less nuts. All you do is choose the variety. World you prefer walnut or cashew?
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don't hire crazy people. That will fix the issue.
You have apparently never worked in Academia or in an organization with high numbers of PHDs.
Or an HR department...
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egoism isn't just the result of higher education, any status elevator will do, wealth, position, appearance etc.
the elite are as taken by themselves as the unsuccessful are also, many people assume self justifications are all too true
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As support for the parent:
We have Hollywood types, freakin' sideshows, constantly lecturing us on how to run our politics.
My response is: You get paid to read lines that other people wrote for you! If you want a say in politics, run for office! Until then, Shut up you dizzy fuck!
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The higher your education the more disconnected you become from reality. I worked in education, saw it all the time. When someone hits the PHD level they can't possibly EVER be wrong or questioned, no matter how insane they drive their workforce. It's NEVER their fault when one of the dumb-ass ideas don't work. "The teachers did not carry out the tasks properly." What slays me is that they get to try ANOTHER dumb-ass way of doing things after they have proven they have no idea what they are doing! Everyone lower on the food chain suffers from the instability and insanity of dealing with this.
Based on the PC nonsense coming from colleges that sounds about right.
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Well played. From experience, the stupidest people I've ever run across tend to be the most educated. And also believe that they also know the best answers and solutions to all of your problems(and everyone elses problems) at the same time. This usually involves throwing lots of money, ignoring deficits, and then getting outraged when people elect populist governments because your provincial debt is higher than Greece's is, but the bankers haven't come screaming for collection yet.
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You can believe what you want, but my experience is that a large number of PhDs are simply the result of parents being willing to pay for someone to hang out in college until they're 30 combined with someone willing to play the college game for that long. I worked for a couple PhDs while finishing my BS. I was not impressed by their intelligence in any way. In fact, one openly stated that he preferred the academic life, because the demands were low.
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There are plenty of idiots with PhDs, though I'll grant that the majority are very smart. Much of getting your doctorate depends upon your work ethic, and not so much on your brilliance though.
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Work ethic does play a part, but the defense for a PhD is far weaker today then it was even 30 years ago.
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I wasn't crazy when they hired me.
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Not all crazy people are the same kind of crazy, some crazy works good and some crazy works really, really, bad. So mental health in the workplace, simply remove the greatest antagonist of mental health in the work place, simply test for psychopathy and exclude across the board. Healthy and happier workforce and those psychopaths wont be in a position to eat your company alive with corrupt work place practices. Creating strife, copying and selling company data, taking credit for other people's work, making
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don't hire crazy people. That will fix the issue.
You mean never hire anyone? I hate to impugn my friends and acquaintances, but everyone's a least a little bit nuts. Actually, the most dangerous nuts are the ones who insist their perfectly sane.
Me? I've merely compartmentalized my crazy bits where they might even do some good, especially against scamming spammers.
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The other policies and work environment will soon enough make a fair portion of the once-sane hires crazy.
single payer healthcare is need so you can't lose (Score:2, Offtopic)
single payer healthcare is need so you can't lose it with your job. As then the only state Mental Health you can get is to something insane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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I agree. And, the single payer should be the one receiving the services.
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" seeing this as an opportunity to gain control over the health care industry, "
patently false. JFC, you people.
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When has government ever done anything but work for more control? The GP's statement is obviously true on its face.
Short guys and dating apps... (Score:1)
the other AA: Afterthought Aftershave (Score:2)
What the ruckus is that supposed to mean?
Oh the stone-age tyranny of keep it together, get your work done, and don't complain as devised by shepherds, seamen, fur traders, and hardy homesteaders who built this house on a code of daring, isolation, and self-reliance.
[*] May include repression, alienation, and an early demise.
The only way mental health counts a
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Corporations: As if our employees aren't already cynical enough about our corporate motives, let's add crawling right into our employee's psychological grills as a first-tier HR initiative (you know, since we've already knocked off the gender pay gap and ending sexual harassment years ahead of schedule, easy peasy).
The personal *is* the political but to gasslight everyone they say it's just business.
Science fiction (Score:2)
Greg Bear wrote a novel titled / (written in catalogs as Slant, because Greg Bear was trolling harder than the artist formerly known as Prince) which revolves around the concept that working conditions will continue to degrade to the point that the majority of the population requires invasive nanomachine-driven thalmic rebalancing in order to continue to function. Except for a few people who can handle the stress, who are called "high naturals" and are much sought after by corporate employers.
Also some int
Slant by Greg Bear is genius. (Score:2)
Greg Bear wrote a novel titled / (written in catalogs as Slant, because Greg Bear was trolling harder than the artist formerly known as Prince) which revolves around the concept that working conditions will continue to degrade to the point that the majority of the population requires invasive nanomachine-driven thalmic rebalancing in order to continue to function. Except for a few people who can handle the stress, who are called "high naturals" and are much sought after by corporate employers.
Thank you, it's such a pertinent book to bring into this conversation because of the messages in Slant about mental health. A fictional context provides enough detachment so that it can be discussed without triggering emotional memories in people that detaches them from the rational parts of thought.
Spoiler Alert don't read on if you want to read the book.
This book characterises a vector for mental illness to reach us all via technology. It discusses that our available intelligence is consumed by th
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For the vast majority of workers? What planet are you currently on? Because here on Earth, the only people with a sense of security are the climate deniers and those rich enough to avoid the consequences.
We still have illegal slavery and people trafficking in every major country in the world. Workers are still discriminated based on language, caste, social class, physical disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, skin colour, and what have you.
Depression is the #1 cost to the world
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For the vast majority of workers? What planet are you currently on? Because here on Earth, the only people with a sense of security are the climate deniers and those rich enough to avoid the consequences.
And, wondering if you're crops would get hit by blight or a storm enhanced security? Knowing you would might die from a thorn prick was a security enhancer? Never knowing if the mine wall might cave in or if your sailboat might be caught in a storm was comforting? You whiny bitch, the GP said these were the most secure times in human history, and he was correct. Until you cure your historical myopia, you shouldn't comment.
We still have illegal slavery and people trafficking in every major country in the world. Workers are still discriminated based on language, caste, social class, physical disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, skin colour, and what have you.
"still have illegal slavery" vs the historical "legal slavery". Again, these are
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Agency makes a huge difference. You could take measures to avoid a crop loss so severe you would be wiped out. You could take care of the injury from the thorn. Even when those calamities happened, it wasn't because someone who saw you as nothing more than a line of a spreadsheet decided your fate.
Steadily over time, the options to deal with these calamities have been foreclosed.
anxiety and depression (Score:5, Insightful)
Anxiety and depression are serious conditions affecting a lot of people. It's not limited to work, though work can play a role. It's nice and simple to say "just suck it up" when you don't have these issues and can't relate.
A good book on the topic is "On Edge: A Journey Through Anxiety"
https://www.amazon.com/Edge-Jo... [amazon.com]
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The problem with The Truth is that there is so much out of out there. People latch onto a tiny bit of it and turn it into an answer for everything.
It's absolutely true that resilience and determination are wonderful traits. They aren't, however, the answer to every problem.
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" resilience and determination"
are useless against mental illness.
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Partly true, but only part of the truth.
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And the boomers continue to stand in the way of fixing things, because they are self-entitled pricks who refuse to admit that it was only lu
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It’s because mental illness is seen as a personal moral failing, like it’s your fault if you can no longer cope with the bad shit in your life. Life is a lot more complicated than it was even 50 years ago. So what does everyone do? They blame the millennials for not being tough enough, rather than admitting that they fucked up the world every way possible.
True.
And the boomers continue to stand in the way of fixing things, because they are self-entitled pricks who refuse to admit that it was only luck, not merit, that they were born in a time where things were fairer and the rising tide was lifting everyone’s station in life (for values of everyone being white men).
Also true. However they also had to deal with parents who came back with trauma from a massive war, so they're not completely to blame for being so fucked up and selfish. Keeping in mind how far back this wave of mental illness goes helps provide enough perspective to deal with its consequences.
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Lack of real stresses like:
-children dying during birth
-crops being wiped out in a storm
-horse dying, and no way to plow the field
-sailboat sinking in a storm.
Seriously, read ANY historically relevant novel. The things people are calling stressful today would be laughed about by anyone from even 50 years ago.
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Now imagine there are no good days. There isn't a bright sunny day, there is always a storm and it could wipe out your crops any time day or night. There will always BE a storm. That's what employment insecurity is like.
Likewise, fair winds and following sea don't happen. The horse is always a bit ill.
It's the sort of thing the old timers might call Hell.
Costs (Score:2)
"Never be an employee; always sell your services." (Score:2)
"Never be an employee; always sell your services."
Serious mental illness... (Score:2)
Chicken or egg? (Score:2)
Maybe it's something else. All we have to connect it to work is a self-selected survey that could be showing only that the respondents had pre-existing mood disorders.
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It also means you are free to go work for an employer that is willing to compete for your talent by treating you better.
Re:Employer social responsibility? (Score:5, Insightful)
It also means you are free to go work for an employer that is willing to compete for your talent by treating you better.
And we probably wouldn't be sitting here having this discussion if such employers actually existed.
The vast majority isn't finding greener pastures on the other side of the fence. Just more scorched earth.
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How do you know? I *do* try to avoid companies that I know treat those who work there foully. But most places don't end up in the news either way...and often those praised by the news turn out to have sold the "reporter" a PR job.
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It isn't 1776 where a business does one thing and everyone knows the owner.
We can do our best, but it's literally impossible to know where the money for every purchase actually goes.
Re:Employer social responsibility? (Score:5, Insightful)
>Niches exist...
Absolutely they do. But you know the thing about niches? They're small. The niches can't hold even a large minority of the work force. And so long as everyone needs to eat, they *need* jobs. And that gives the big employers incredible bargaining power - of the "Take it or leave it, there's more applicants waiting in the hallway" variety.
There's a few ways you can address that. One of the obvious ones is to consolidate worker bargaining power to a similar degree as job bargaining power is consolidated into a relatively few employers - into unions, action committees, democratic governments, that sort of thing. Another is to level the bargaining table - remove the workers *need* for a job. If most people can afford to walk away from their job on short notice, then employers have to treat all employees well enough to keep them at work. UBI's offer a lot of that. Most social safety nets don't, you've generally got to fall pretty hard before they help hold you up . Presumably that's by design - those in the halls of power are pretty much always among those who are profiting from that power imbalance. Most of them were born to it and have no idea what that power imbalance really looks like from the other side.
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There is another way. Keep the crap job you've got until you find better. Of course, that means working hard and improving your skills at the current sucky job, so that you have something of substance to offer the employer that will treat you with respect. Or, you can just keep on whining that the the world owes you respect, even though you're a low-skilled scrub.
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But that's not a scalable solution. Even if half of the available jobs in the country were with employers that treated you with respect, that would still mean that the other half of the population would have to choose between being demeaned and abused, and losing everything they have to land in the social safety net. Doesn't matter how good they are, they're going to be stuck biding their time in sucky jobs until somebody leaves one of the good ones. And the good jobs will remain in short supply so long
Re: Employer social responsibility? (Score:5, Insightful)
So, where are those employers that treat you better then? They should exist. Where is the white collar 40 or less hour work week paying inflation adjusted competitive wages to what they were years ago?
There's an underlying assumption that the benevolent market will somehow remedy this ongoing labor exploitation situation, but it doesn't. Instead, you see employer after employer pushing at-will exempt agendas (and now even trying non-compete contracts for less skilled professions that traditional didn't require them).
These terms of emokoyment are in a businesses interests and the market will push burnout culture as far as many workers will cave into. The fact is, enough people cave (sometimes due to desperate financial circumstances) and that lowers the bar for everyone. It doesn't matter how much will power you have, you simply have to cave as well or become significantly more skilled than others. Becoming more skilled in not always an option and with swaths of college grads, you now need to be more creative and seek skilled labor positions to find those working conditions.
Employer Apathy. (Score:1)
Yes, the grass is always greener. Companies are looting pensions left and right, pushing as much medical expenses on workers, training virtually nonexistence, and the best excuse we can come up with to justify their actions is "go somewhere else". Til one runs out of "somewhere else" since they're all terrible from decades of worker apathy, and "it's all your fault".
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More whining. My company pays well, has good benefits and pays for training. Maybe you should ask yourself why you can't score a decent job?
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So, where are those employers that treat you better then?
Try Europe. Not all of Europe, but some parts have decent wages and strong worker's rights that include mental health stuff.
They pay a lot of tax and wages are lower compared to the US, but when you look at the actual quality of life that results from it the advantages are obvious.
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I work in Raleigh, NC. I can't remember working a 40 hour week, the wages are VERY competitive.
It is not a "benevolent market" that remedies what you call "labor exploitation". It is solved by GREED. You're problem is that you have no skills to sell, but you expect to get the same price for your goods as someone that does have skills. Quit being a whiny bitch and do something that solves a business' problems and you will find the world is a different place.
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Most white collar employers I've worked with have been pretty good about flexing time, but terrible about raises.
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*for very low values of "better"*
In other words, good luck finding one.
I know they exist, but they're about as common as grand prize lottery winners.
Re:Employer social responsibility? (Score:4, Informative)
They're more common that that, though most are small businesses that don't grow very fast, so they don't do much hiring...particularly since they have a very low turnover.
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So, the prerequisite willing to compete for your talent” doesn't really apply :)
Re:Corporations are schizophrenic, news at 11... (Score:5, Insightful)
Cue the "incel" insults in 3, 2, 1...
I’ll bite
How hard is it to understand that romantic relationships in the workplace are a dumb idea? There’s almost always a power imbalance, which leaves one open to accusations of abuse of authority and the other of using sex to get ahead.
If you’re that stupid and lame that you can’t strike up a relationship outside work, maybe you’re better off being an incel than going through accusations of sexual harassment.
And judging by your characterization of women, as well as your trivializing of sexual harassment, you aren’t doing yourself any favours.
Most relationships fail. Working with someone you’ve had a failed relationship with has got to be uncomfortable as heck. Don’t be a loser - keep your love life separate from your professional life, because the consequences of not doing so are SO predictable.
Re:Corporations are schizophrenic, news at 11... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is so funny I just have to respond. I get far more attention from men than I want - and this seems to be the rule for trans women - men are attracted to us. That says more about the psychology of men than it does of trans women. We’re like some sort of exotic forbidden fruit.
Monday’s mail held the form for me to fill in my victim impact statement against the latest guy to make the sexual offenders list. A total stranger probably less than half my age, who I certainly didn’t want to have anything to do with.
This is certainly not me ruining some guys life out of jealousy - he ruined his own life, and now I’m going to have to get a protective order against him and worry that he might show up at any time because he now knows my name and where I live.
That’s one of the reasons women are reluctant to go to the police - court proceedings give the perp your personal information.
No woman enjoys this shit - and being trans just ups both the frequency of it happening and the embarrassment of discussion of it in court.
But keep victim-blaming. You’re a fucking joke of a human. Go back to playing with a non-systemd Linux distro because you can’t use a real Unix like FreeBSD. Same as you use Delphi because shit coders can’t keep track of memory in c.
I was paid to do both for years because, unlike you, I am a real programmer, not a one-trick pony. Go play with your new competition for asshattery - the Ladder Logic Guy. It will help distract you from your unhealthy obsession over me.
Ps - it probably pisses you off to no end that you can’t get laid by anything that you have not first inflated while I have to get police protection to keep the guys away. Just saying ...
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feminist bitch
ot because she's better at her job
she gets knocked up
r fucking someone not us
whatever mess
: you aren't allowed to have a loving relationship
Yeah, your fucking dumb.
go fap a few off, get cleaned up, put on some clean clothes and go the fuck outside into the real world.
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Sounds like you need some mental health counseling.
And if you treated women right you might have a girlfriend.
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There are other places in the world, you know. If you choose to stay in a shithole, don't complain when all you see is shit.
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Leaving a crap job is the opposite of toleration. And I've worked for several EXCELLENT employers. Enough that it is obvious that people complaining about not being able to find a decent job are just whiny, low-skilled bitches that scream for a union to cover for their mediocrity.
Re:I am mentally ill (Score:5, Insightful)
It is not my workplaces job to address my mental health needs - that is my responsibility- or to coddle me in any manner other than maintaining professional behavior.
It's also not your workplaces job to create the issues that lead to instabilities in your health, mentally or otherwise. I doubt you're being coddled in any manner at work. If you are, then kindly shut the fuck up, because you have no idea how the world is treating the other 99% of us.
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It is LIFE that leads to stress related issues.
Re:I am mentally ill (Score:4, Insightful)
It is not my workplaces job to address my mental health needs - that is my responsibility- or to coddle me in any manner other than maintaining professional behavior.
And if it’s your shitty boss or your unhealthy work environment or the stress of dealing with unwanted behaviour from colleagues or clients are the cause of your bad mental health ?
Just one example - crunch time. How is that not the responsibility of incompetence from management making unrealistic plans and not allocating enough time and resources , then abusing the workers rather than admitting they fucked up, or taking the credit when it’s the workers who made the sacrifices, only to get laid off when it’s done?
Toxic workplaces are the norm in IT. And not join IT. 40 years ago burnout wasn’t a thing.
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It is not my workplaces job to address my mental health needs - that is my responsibility- or to coddle me in any manner other than maintaining professional behavior.
And if it’s your shitty boss or your unhealthy work environment or the stress of dealing with unwanted behaviour from colleagues or clients are the cause of your bad mental health ?
That is the reason *to* deal with your own issues, so that shitty bosses and colleagues can't have an impact on your emotional state. I get where you're coming from but scourfish has a point, no one but the individual can deal with their mental issues and shitty bosses and colleagues simply haven't dealt with their own issues. That's why they're shitty.
Just one example - crunch time. How is that not the responsibility of incompetence from management making unrealistic plans and not allocating enough time and resources , then abusing the workers rather than admitting they fucked up, or taking the credit when it’s the workers who made the sacrifices, only to get laid off when it’s done?
Because that's what mentally ill people do, they project their failing onto others. Just because they're running something doesn't mean they are mentally
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But thanks for all the opportunities to get me to try to rehabilitate my vision enough to use a computer again. It’s not a fix by any means - it continues to deteriorate, and I will probably eventually be legally blind - but It’s good
Re:This is considered a representative sample? (Score:5, Insightful)
Given that current estimates are somewhere between 10 and 20 percent of people suffering at some point in their lives from mental illnesses, such a low response is a very good indicator of how people view their employer's [lack of] support and their fear of reprisal.
Depression and anxiety can hit anyone; it can blight your whole life and make the simplest things difficult; having an unsympathetic or even hostile employer just makes matters worse. Macho hard line management attitudes harm the employee AND the company.
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It's said that about a 1/3rd are crazy. So if you look left and right and those on either side of you look ok it's probably you!
Looks to the left - Hosts File Guy.
Looks to the right - Ladder Logic guy
I’m good :-)
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Coulda been the gay porn troll. TIME CUBE is my favorite, though.
Re:There is no gender pay gap. (Score:4, Interesting)
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You could try picking up your mouse and moving it to the other side of the keyboard. I have to warn you though you'll need to rotate it so the buttons are facing towards you.
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You know you can pick up the mouse and put it on the left side of your keyboard? Or do like I did, put mice on both sides, and set them for left-click. Makes it nearly impossible for right handed people to use your computer.
If you’re left-handed there’s a good chance you’re ambidextrous. That can take care of the scissors problem with a bit of practice - or buy some lefties scissors and never have to worry about someone borrowing them.
Pity those poor righties who have to keep swapping
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Literally left hand version of everything they listed, plus every company I ever worked for would buy left handed stuff.
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thanks Barbara
Nice to know that not everyone here is humor challenged.
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You should be banned.
From the internet.
Forever.
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I disagree w/BarbaraHudson on almost every issue, but the GP is right. You're an asshole.
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"Sounds like a bunch of whiners, doesn't it?"
no.
"r employer had no motivation"
false.
" flawed survey."
no it in't, it's just a survey.
"nutters "
way to not understand mental health, ass.
" They tend to self-select that position"
no they do not.
"when have left handed people received any recognition for their disadvantages?"
left handedness isn't a disadvantage.
"Even the company pencil sharpener "
I can insert the pencil into the sharpener with either hand, just as well.
or do you mean manual ones? which I haven't se
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No. They'd keep using it. If they had any sense, ability for logic, or appreciation for truth, they'd never have used it in the first place. That obviously not being the case, why would one more piece of actual evidence change anything?
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GP is clearly an idiot, but that gives you no right to jump to an illogical "garden Trump supporter" (I'm not one, though I'm conservative) leap. Stereotyping is supposed to be against everything you left wingers stand for, so stop doing it.