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Google Suffered a Brief Outage on Monday Which Pushed Some of Its Traffic Through Russia, China and Nigeria; Company Says It Will Do an Investigation (cnet.com) 70

Google suffered a brief outage and slowdown Monday, with some of its traffic getting rerouted through networks in Russia, China and Nigeria. From a report: Incorrect routing instructions sent some of the search giant's traffic to Russian network operator TransTelekom, China Telecom (which, as you may recall, has been found of misdirecting internet traffic in recent months) and Nigerian provider MainOne between 1:00 p.m. and 2:23 p.m. PT, according to internet research group ThousandEyes. "This incident at a minimum caused a massive denial of service to G Suite and Google Search," wrote Ameet Naik, ThousandEyes' technical marketing manager, in a blog post. "However, this also put valuable Google traffic in the hands of ISPs in countries with a long history of Internet surveillance. Applications like Gmail and Google Drive don't appear to have been affected, but YouTube users experienced some slowdown. Google noted that the issue was resolved and said it would conduct an internal investigation. Update: Nigeria's Main One Cable Co has taken responsibility for the glitch.
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  • But sure, by all means, put your important information on someone else's servers you have no control over. What could possibly go wrong? Oh, right, all of your important information could be shunted off to your competitors. But that's not a big deal, right?

    This is an I.Q. test masquerading as a technical issue.

    • Re:Cloud Services (Score:5, Insightful)

      by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) * on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:45AM (#57637282) Homepage Journal

      Oh, right, all of your important information could be shunted off to your competitors. But that's not a big deal, right?

      Look, I help people set up private servers to keep their data out of "the Cloud" but you can't be wrong about the arguments.

      Event IF this were a BGP hijack rather than a misconfiguration error and even IF they had minted Google.com certs trusted by the default root stores, Chrome would have picked up the pinned-certificate fingerprint mismatches and refused to connect. Everything in Google's suite happens over TLS.

      Yes, this would cause an outage, which costs time and money, but your information does not wind up in the hands of your competitors.

      Make technically valid business arguments - don't spout crazy conspiracy theories.

      • Event IF this were a BGP hijack rather than a misconfiguration error and even IF they had minted Google.com certs trusted by the default root stores...

        And IF Cloud Computer equaled Google, you would have at least a semi-reasonable argument. But this ISN'T just about Google, and you're definitely missing the bigger picture. This is about the very nature of trusting some untrustworthy third party data sieve (be it Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc.) to go against its own nature and keep your secrets secret. This particular failure is simply an indicator of what HAS happened, what IS happening, and what WILL happen to people stupid enough to trust their data

        • You seriously can't discuss the different risks of cloud computing separately? That's why you sound like a conspiracy theorist and not an engineer.

          Of course Google is putting your data at risk - that's not relevant to a BGP hijack - it's a separate issue.

          Of course Google's owning Chrome is a special case - that's the case we're discussing here. To try to generalize it to a huge catastrophe is just soapboxing and not useful. Everybody here already knows about those risks - this isn't USA Today.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    All my smart home devices stopped working for up to an hour on Sunday. I got a panicked phone call from my grandma who couldn't turn off her lights.

    I setup my devices on a restricted wifi network because of this kind of stuff. I don't have access to the device to see what it is connecting to, and now we find out it was also routed through potentially malicious nations.

  • by geekymachoman ( 1261484 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:39AM (#57637242)
    Finally proof those pesky Russians are hacking the America and it's freedom.
    Chinese ? Well... they all the same kind.
  • by bogaboga ( 793279 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:39AM (#57637244)

    ...However, this also put valuable Google traffic in the hands of ISPs in countries with a long history of Internet surveillance...

    The subtext here is that the USA does not [*cough*] [*cough*], have government funded agencies doing the same. The other day, some government agency was found to be spying on Americans, even when congress [limited] its ability to.

    So the summary should have been phrased this way:

    ..."However, this also put valuable Google traffic in the hands of ISPs and agencies in countries which like the USA, have a long history of Internet surveillance. (Bold mine.).

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by theurge14 ( 820596 )

      Kindly point out any articles about a US government agency hijacking BGP routes.

      Otherwise, save the whataboutism thanks.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        See telco tap points articles of many years ago.

        US government doesn't have to play stupid BGP tricks because the traffic is already traversing links they have 100% access to.

    • No one is claiming we don't do this.... In this case the NSA seems like it would enjoy the ability to capture this data in whole. There is no incentive for them to stop this from occurring because now they can legally siphon it up as foreign data and spy on US citizens with hat they claim is less Constitutional rights abusive. In fact there is no evidence that this isn't being encouraged.

  • by SmilingBoy ( 686281 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:10PM (#57637428)

    All traffic between browser and Google is encrypted. I don't see a real security risk here.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:13PM (#57637444)
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  • Admittedly a large piece of supposition but how hard would it really be for the PRC and the rest of the usual suspects to convince Google and others to have accidents like this. Google, really, really wants to make RB off of Chinese users and so what if the CPC wanted data in return?
  • Poor headline (Score:5, Informative)

    by Dan East ( 318230 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @01:20PM (#57637884) Journal

    The headline makes it sound like Google had a brief outage and that caused some traffic to be routed through Russia and China. What actually happened is Some Google Traffic Routed Through Russia and China Causing Brief Outage.

    But since we're all used to awful headlines here at Slashdot, and we know we can't expect much better from the original source cnet, that's perfectly fine.

  • by eastjesus ( 3182503 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @02:15PM (#57638204)
    I noticed Google down just as it started and when I checked I found that Spectrum (which still uses rr.com for naming) was sending all Google bound traffic to Tata communications (an Indian Company) which sent it over to Europe on its circuits then Transtelecom in South Africa,which moved it to Chinanet. Traceroute excerpt: 10 0.ae2.pr1.dfw10.tbone.rr.com (107.14.17.236) 66.274 ms 0.ae0.pr1.dfw10.tbone.rr.com (107.14.17.232) 68.537 ms 0.ae4.pr1.dfw10.tbone.rr.com (107.14.19.97) 69.705 ms 11 ix-ae-23-0.tcore2.dt8-dallas.as6453.net (66.110.57.97) 70.130 ms 71.137 ms 70.498 ms 12 if-ae-2-2.tcore1.dt8-dallas.as6453.net (66.110.56.5) 205.871 ms 205.041 ms 207.009 ms 13 if-ae-37-3.tcore1.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net (66.198.154.68) 208.978 ms 207.757 ms 212.871 ms 14 if-ae-2-2.tcore2.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net (216.6.87.1) 211.628 ms 212.403 ms 241.799 ms 15 if-ae-12-2.tcore4.njy-newark.as6453.net (216.6.87.43) 203.197 ms 204.385 ms if-ae-12-2.tcore4.njy-newark.as6453.net (216.6.87.223) 238.450 ms 16 if-ae-1-3.tcore3.njy-newark.as6453.net (216.6.57.5) 234.408 ms 235.627 ms 235.190 ms 17 if-ae-15-2.tcore1.l78-london.as6453.net (80.231.130.25) 239.527 ms 239.084 ms 240.261 ms 18 if-ae-2-2.tcore2.l78-london.as6453.net (80.231.131.1) 240.647 ms 241.425 ms 241.816 ms 19 if-ae-14-2.tcore2.av2-amsterdam.as6453.net (80.231.131.161) 246.783 ms 247.567 ms 246.319 ms 20 if-ae-2-2.tcore1.av2-amsterdam.as6453.net (195.219.194.5) 248.282 ms 167.135 ms 192.261 ms 21 if-ae-6-2.tcore1.fnm-frankfurt.as6453.net (195.219.194.150) 193.772 ms 197.050 ms 200.104 ms 22 195.219.156.146 (195.219.156.146) 213.840 ms 213.268 ms 219.112 ms 23 mskn17ra-lo1.transtelecom.net (217.150.55.21) 271.186 ms 266.862 ms 267.265 ms 24 * * ChinaTelecom-gw.transtelecom.net (217.150.59.249) 280.990 ms 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * 154.72.45.166 (154.72.45.166) 466.625 ms There was a period in the middle of that time that Google appeared to be working but traceroute showed everything passing through chinanet and then on to Google, just long latency, but they couldn't keep it up and Google kept going down. There is another article about it at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne... [dailymail.co.uk] Sorry about the formatting but the /. editor is not accepting my line breaks. Figured the traceroute might be interesting to some even if it looks ugly.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      I noticed Google down just as it started and when I checked I found that Spectrum (which still uses rr.com for naming) was sending all Google bound traffic to Tata communications (an Indian Company) which sent it over to Europe on its circuits then Transtelecom in South Africa,which moved it to Chinanet.

      Traceroute excerpt:
      100.ae2.pr1.dfw10.tbone.rr.com (107.14.17.236) 66.274 ms
      0.ae0.pr1.dfw10.tbone.rr.com (107.14.17.232) 68.537 ms
      0.ae4.pr1.dfw10.tbone.rr.com (107.14.19.97) 69.705 ms
      11 ix-ae-23-0.tcore2.dt8-dallas.as6453.net (66.110.57.97) 70.130 ms 71.137 ms 70.498 ms
      12 if-ae-2-2.tcore1.dt8-dallas.as6453.net (66.110.56.5) 205.871 ms 205.041 ms 207.009 ms
      13 if-ae-37-3.tcore1.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net (66.198.154.68) 208.978 ms 207.757 ms 212.871 ms
      14 if-ae-2-2.tcore2.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net (216.6.87.1) 211.628 ms 212.403 ms 241.799 ms
      15 if-ae-12-2.tcore4.njy-newark.as6453.net (216.6.87.43) 203.197 ms 204.385 ms
      if-ae-12-2.tcore4.njy-newark.as6453.net (216.6.87.223) 238.450 ms
      16 if-ae-1-3.tcore3.njy-newark.as6453.net (216.6.57.5) 234.408 ms 235.627 ms 235.190 ms
      17 if-ae-15-2.tcore1.l78-london.as6453.net (80.231.130.25) 239.527 ms 239.084 ms 240.261 ms
      18 if-ae-2-2.tcore2.l78-london.as6453.net (80.231.131.1) 240.647 ms 241.425 ms 241.816 ms
      19 if-ae-14-2.tcore2.av2-amsterdam.as6453.net (80.231.131.161) 246.783 ms 247.567 ms 246.319 ms
      20 if-ae-2-2.tcore1.av2-amsterdam.as6453.net (195.219.194.5) 248.282 ms 167.135 ms 192.261 ms
      21 if-ae-6-2.tcore1.fnm-frankfurt.as6453.net (195.219.194.150) 193.772 ms 197.050 ms 200.104 ms
      22 195.219.156.146 (195.219.156.146) 213.840 ms 213.268 ms 219.112 ms
      23 mskn17ra-lo1.transtelecom.net (217.150.55.21) 271.186 ms 266.862 ms 267.265 ms
      24 * * ChinaTelecom-gw.transtelecom.net (217.150.59.249) 280.990 ms
      25 * * *
      26 * * *
      27 * * *
      28 * * 154.72.45.166 (154.72.45.166) 466.625 ms

      There was a period in the middle of that time that Google appeared to be working but traceroute showed everything passing through chinanet and then on to Google, just long latency, but they couldn't keep it up and Google kept going down. There is another article about it at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne [dailymail.co.uk]... [dailymail.co.uk] Sorry about the formatting but the /. editor is not accepting my line breaks. Figured the traceroute might be interesting to some even if it looks ugly.

      FTFY. I guess slashcode doesn't like large blocks of text with loads of carriage returns. Prevents trolls?

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  • There have been a number of comments here about the "secret" secure room in San Francisco where Internet traffic is snooped. When General Alexander was head of the NSA (where he built a replica of the Star Trek bridge [dailymail.co.uk] with taxpayer money for his commmand) he issued the directive to "Collect it all!"

    The "room" was in AT&T's facility, not Google's, and tapped a major Internet backbone link. It's been known and documented for years. See the deposition of Mark Klein [eastjesus.net] dated June 8, 2006, formerly of AT

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