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South Korea To Shut Off Computers Past 19:00 Hours To Stop People Working Late (bbc.com) 106

dryriver shares a report from the BBC: The government in South Korea's capital is introducing a new initiative to force its employees to leave work on time -- by powering down all their computers at 20:00 on Fridays. It says it is trying to stop a "culture of working overtime." South Korea has some of the longest working hours in the world. Government employees there work an average of 2,739 hours a year -- about 1,000 hours more than workers in other developed countries. The shutdown initiative in the Seoul Metropolitan Government is set to roll out across three phases over the next three months. The program will begin on March 30, with all computers switched off by 20:00. The second phase starts in April, with employees having their computers turned off by 19:30 on the second and fourth Friday that month. From May on, the program will be in full-swing, with computers shut off by 19:00 every Friday. According to a SMG statement, all employees will be subjected to the shutdown, though exemptions may be provided in special circumstances. However, not every government worker seems to be on-board -- according to the SMG, 67.1% of government workers have asked to be exempt from the forced lights-out. Earlier this month, South Korea's national assembly passed a law to cut down the maximum weekly working hours to 52, down from 68.'
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South Korea To Shut Off Computers Past 19:00 Hours To Stop People Working Late

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  • by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Thursday March 22, 2018 @09:53PM (#56310147) Homepage Journal
    What slackers. In Seattle we work 110 hours a week.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 22, 2018 @09:58PM (#56310181)

      You Americans never really did get over that whole slavery "thing", did you ?

      Now you pay the slaves *just enough* to keep them alive and coming back in, day after day.............

      Well played sir, well played.

    • I work 70 hours a week, but every other week.

      ...and I get paid for 80!
    • by Anonymous Coward

      You mean that you're in the office 110 hours a week.

      You're productively working for about 35 of those. The remaining 75 hours you're either fixing the mistakes you made by being too tired to work productively, slacking off on FaceTwit or making Monty Python references with your co-workers (or, possibly, ork references with your fellow cow-orkers).

      Or - posting on Slashdot.

    • What slackers. In Seattle we work 110 hours a week.

      Well, that’s because you only have a dialup Internet connection - it takes you much longer to do the same amount of work as a Silicon Valley employee earning $50,000 a year.

    • by PolygamousRanchKid ( 1290638 ) on Friday March 23, 2018 @04:40AM (#56311351)

      What slackers. In Seattle we work 110 hours a week.

      MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

      GC: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!

      TJ: Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

      EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, (pause for laughter), drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing 'Hallelujah.'

      MP: But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'.

      • It works better if you don't do the entire sketch on your own. I know this forces you to depend on others knowing what's best for them, but if you never give them the chance they'll never learn.
  • Bad Data (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pubwvj ( 1045960 ) on Thursday March 22, 2018 @10:06PM (#56310203)

    Some of us work better on other schedules. Mandating things like this is a bad idea based on bad data from baaad sheep.

    • Re:Bad Data (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Stickasylum ( 1243438 ) on Friday March 23, 2018 @12:25AM (#56310717)
      Alternative schedules is one thing, but unhealthy focus on work is another. Everyone I know who consistently works more than 40 hour weeks without alternate time compensation (10 on 5 off, long breaks, etc.) seriously compromises the quality and productivity of their work. And most don't realize it. There's only marginal gains traded for some serious psychological harms.
    • by havana9 ( 101033 )
      A friend of mine is a sysadmin in a tyre factory. He lives alone, has a mortgage to pay, and prefer to work from midnight to 8 AM. HR was wery happy to put him in a fixed night schedule, except the 33% pay rise. But he works 8 hours a day then sleeps in the morning....
    • Some of us work better on other schedules.

      8pm on a Friday night for a normal government office worker is not an "other schedule".
      It's "avoiding your wife".

  • In Japan most of the people who stay late do not actually work more, they stay late to look "good", to show they dedicate their lives to the company. Is it the same in (South) Korea?
  • some of these people are using these same computers to do other things at home ... and that's why they oppose the new hours...
  • Maybe the government wants to reduce overtime payments by getting employees to leave early. Then they reduce the government budget. Or perhaps get departments to expand. Cutting down on salaries like that would encourage workers to seek other ways of getting a pay rise.

  • Whippings have been ordered stopped between 2000 and 2300 on Sundays, to give the guards' arms some rest.

  • So 2700 hours is 1000 more than "other developed countries"? Let's see; a standard 40-hour workweek times 50 weeks a year is 2,000 hours (less, if you get more than 2 weeks vacation, and a lot of people do...) So either somebody can't do math, or a lot of other "developed" countries are working a lot less than we Americans do.

    • by Harlequin80 ( 1671040 ) on Thursday March 22, 2018 @11:14PM (#56310461)

      Standard working week in Australia is 38hrs and 4 weeks leave. So 1824hrs. Add onto that public holidays (12) and you are getting close.

      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        Standard working week in Australia is 38hrs and 4 weeks leave. So 1824hrs. Add onto that public holidays (12) and you are getting close.

        And a lot of places have 35-hour workweeks, especially in government. So that brings it down even more.

        35 hour workweek is 7 hours a day. 37.5 hour workweek is 7.5 hours a day, for those wondering.

    • Somebody can't do the math, indeed.
      365 days - week ends (104) - public holidays (15) - holidays (20) = 226 days
      and 2739 / 226 = 12 hours work a day!
    • by Stickasylum ( 1243438 ) on Friday March 23, 2018 @12:20AM (#56310691)
      Yes, Americans have longer work weeks and get very little time off compared to most other developed countries. And that's not a good thing.
      • Well, if they had more time they could use it to think, and we couldn't allow that (cough cough television)...
    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Other nations still hire their own citizens on merit.
      So they can all be seen working expected hours on a complex task.
      The job done on time to a set standard.

      The US has complex laws about who to hire and who has to stay working full time once hired.
      Work in the US becomes more of a workshop with a few amazing people working really hard.
      Random other people just stay at work so the database tracking over time will not flag any changes to work patterns.
      When the job is done by a few skilled workers ever
    • by jrumney ( 197329 )
      Developed countries get at least 4 weeks vacation, and work 35 hour weeks.
    • Maybe they're talking about developed countries, not "developed" countries?
  • Rather tough for people on life support ... "The machine is keeping him alive but we need to switch it off at 19:00"
  • So if something crashes at 16:00 (when people are still at the office), but isn't fixed by 19:00, it stays broken until the morning?

    I guess that may be why 67.1% have "asked" to be exempt.

  • Email is Only for Old People (who have already retired, and can use the internet at home).

  • ....and change the cultural view that in order to be respected and have job security you need to bend over backwards.
  • In context, this is from the same country where the government mandates that tutoring centers (known as hagwon or "cram schools") all close at 10pm because students would be there until 2am in the morning during weekdays [joins.com]. Also to be noted that students and parents protested this government ordinance because they were afraid that students would fall behind their peers in the high pressure education environment in Korea. To this day, students and hagwon operators regularly flout the law, covering up windows
  • We have customers in Korea and the defects they submit are just incredible.

    Some one would spend some 50 or 60 hours working on setting up a simulation and they will ask for help because the answers are wrong. Our tech support would find they have worked on completely irrelevant portions of the models, and missed big important settings. They read our manuals in English, use an English-Korean dictionary, misunderstand a few terms, and waste all the effort. Simple things like missing the line that says, "..

    • It is truly mind boggling, they turn out fantastic products, but how they manage to do it with this level of inefficiency I am not able to explain at all. I am missing something, Dont know what.

      They manage it by doing insane hours. Similar to Japan...with all the stuff about just-in-time production, kaizen and the like, my impression is that Japanese companies and workers (on an individual level) - especially white collar office workers - are not really that efficient. They are perfectionists, have a strict hierarchy and low tolerance of error, work under huge stress, and put in a ridiculous amount of effort to get things done. So the end product is great...but the process to getting there is bad

  • SO no LG, Sony, KIA tech support after hours, Who's hours?

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