iOS 11 'Is Still Just Buggy as Hell' (gizmodo.com) 258
It is becoming increasingly apparent that iOS 11, the current generation of Apple's mobile operating system, is riddled with more issues than any previous iOS version in the recent years. Two months ago, in a review, titled, "iOS 11 Sucks", a reporter at the publication wrote: I'm using iOS 11 right now, and it makes me want to stab my eyes with a steel wire brush until I get face jam. Gizmodo today reviews iOS 11 after living with the current software version for two months: It's been two full months since Apple released iOS 11 to millions and millions of devices worldwide, and the software is still just buggy as hell. Some of the glitches are ugly or just unexpected from a company that has built a reputation for flawless software. Shame on me for always expecting perfection from an imperfect company, I guess. But there are some really bad bugs, so bad that I can't use the most basic features on my phone. They popped up, when I upgraded on release day. They're still around after two months and multiple updates to iOS. Shame on Apple for ignoring this shit. Now, let me show you my bugs. The worst one also happens to be one I encounter most frequently. Sometimes, when I get a text, I'll go to reply in the Messages app but won't be able to see the latest message because the keyboard is covering it up. I also can't scroll up to see it, because the thread is anchored to the bottom of the page. The wackiest thing is that sometimes I get the little reply box, and sometimes I don't. The only way I'm able to text like normal is to tap the back arrow to take me to all my messages and then go back into the message through the front door. [...] Other native iOS 11 apps have bugs, too. Until a recent update, my iPhone screen would become unresponsive which is a problem because touching the screen is almost the only way to use the device.
It's you (Score:3, Funny)
You are holding it wrong.
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Re:It's you (Score:5, Funny)
Apple are closet Nazis too.
Look at their OS names
Yosemite - clearly an attempt to disguise the famous Nazi expression 'Yo, Semite!'
El Capitan - another attempt to disguise the Nazi SS rank SS-Hauptsturmführer by translating it into Spanish, the language spoken by Franco
I could go on.
And look at their stores. It's a bunch of white people, stylishly dressed in mostly in black designer clothes. You know who else was mostly white people dressed stylishly in black designer clothes? The fucking SS, that's who.
And they had a cult of personality around a charismatic leader who was a complete bastard. And after that leader died it all started to fall apart.
AmiMoJo has stolen my account! (Score:2)
I mean Snow Leopard? Couldn't be an ordinary leopard, could it? With its yellow and black pigmentation that would be tantamount to admitting the actual true scientifically proven historical FACT that the Chinese and Africans invented computing as we know it and Babbage, Dickens and Mozart stole it literally at gunpoint.
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Re:It's you (Score:4)
It appears that Tim doesn't know how to crack the whip like Steve did.
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For some reason though, the more powerful and larger iPad pro costs less than the phone.
I've got a larger and more powerful wall clock that costs much less than a wrist watch. Sometimes the expensive part of something is the miniaturization.
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More features crammed in to add "Wow" factor to announements has been the drive for a while now. Modern UI look is valued above intuitive usability.
In the early days people marveled how 3 year old kids could figure out an iphone without any help. Now it has been bloated and obsfucated, gestures have gotten too numerous and complex. It has become too complex for what it is.
Lost in all of this is "It just works." Sadly, it doesn't. My itunes library is a mess thanks to automagic crap that randomly duplic
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If I can be forgiven a little trolling -- given how many different hardware platforms iOS runs on vs how many different platforms Windows runs on, it seems fair to say Microsoft is having fewer bugs per platform than Apple.
The actual link (Score:3)
Oddly, the summary gives a link to a two-month old critique of the fonts and style, but fails to link to the actual story being summarized.
It's here: https://gizmodo.com/ios-11-is-... [gizmodo.com]
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Apple of course never even replies to bug reports, even those submitted by registered developers. Their arrogance is comparable to MSFT's in the 1990s.
Indeed! Oh I remember how MS devs answered bug reports in forums, full of arrogance, the best you could get was "Try to post in this other forum"...
An OS is not a throwaway phone app! (Score:5, Insightful)
I know all the cool kids are doing Agile and sprinting away, and I think that's fine for development. But one of the things I really don't think is doing companies any favors is the super-fast iterations of operating systems. I'm a Windows guy and we see this with Windows 10 a lot...features just feel unfinished even when they're part of an official release. On the Windows Server side of the house, the pace is a little slower and it shows...server operating systems need to be more stable and not have surprising feature changes.
I'm an old fuddy duddy, but I think that core things like operating systems should have a slightly slower pace of development that allows for more testing and more careful planning. I see this in iOS 11 too...I just upgraded and was very surprised how many of the built-in apps have serious design flaws and appear to have been changed just because. (The Podcast app is unusable while driving anymore because you can't have it automatically play through a list of podcasts, as an example.)
Going super-fast and doing the DevOps thing is fine, but honestly a lot of this thinking came out of startups, where the product was an app whose only client is a smartphone, and whose only customer is a consumer who is getting a free service. Failures of this can be tolerated if you can quickly patch up the back end...but an OS deployed on a machine is a different story.
Re:An OS is not a throwaway phone app! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:An OS is not a throwaway phone app! (Score:5, Insightful)
The latter puts a focus on getting out a certain amount of new and shiny, which can result in lower quality releases.
Well I think this ties into another relevant criticism: There's no reason that an OS needs a lot of these "features".
Is the OS stable? Is the filesystem good? Does the UI allow you to open applications? Yes? Ok, cool, then you're done. Pretty much everything else should be done on the application level, not by the OS.
I know that sounds like crazy talk, but I just don't think things like web browsers, Dropbox competitors, Music stores, and AI assistants needs to be integrated into the OS. Tying these items to OS upgrades means that they have to push out a whole new OS upgrade when they want to release features. Kernel-level changes shouldn't get scheduled based on when they want to release new ad-blocking in the browser.
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Also, companies don't see QA as important these days. :(
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Apple is getting into the situation of supporting too much hardware, which was never it's forte. Apple is good at supporting a small number of models, think mac air, iMac, MacBook, mac pro. Sometimes it has successfully supported multiple platforms, such as when they transition from PowerPC to Intel, but that is short lived.
The iOS works really well on iPad pro. I know the iPhone 8 people have few problems. It does not work so w
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I've been using Windows 7, Linux Mint (which still runs Linux kernel 4.4.0), and a Cyanogenmod with Android 5.1.1 and I can't remember the last time I had a significant OS-level problem.
People massively overrate "new" and "shiny". Stuff that's old and aint broke is pretty good.
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The biggest issue this person cites is the messaging app. This is not an 'os-level problem' but it is a big deal on a phone.
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I don't think you understand how Agile is supposed to work, not that you'd apply it to something like an OS. But the underlying principle still applies: focus. Focus really is the secret sauce, agility is almost a side effect.
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It's like trying to be "creative". If you set out to do something creative, you end up posturing, which is pretending to be creative. Real creativity comes when you set out to do something that's a little beyond what you're comfortable with.
Focus is what allows you to achieve agility. If you just try to be "agile" you end up rushing, which is pretending to be agile.
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CEO Responses (Score:5, Funny)
CEO responses to this kind of release:
Steve Balmer: Throws chairs while shouting "developers developers developers!"
Tim Cook: "LOL but look how much cash we have."
Satya Nadella: "Huh? We sold a phone?" Quietly high-fives himself in the mirror.
Steve Jobs: "You're holding it wrong". 3 days later several senior product positions at Apple open up for hiring. Spouses report their loved ones missing. Police find no trace but are baffled by reports of a severe thunderstorm located exclusively over Apple headquarters just after Jobs' announcement. Perfect iOS software released a few days later.
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So iOS is now another thing I can blame on David Wolfe.
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They're not bugs, you're just holding it wrong!
Not just iOS 11 (Score:2)
This shit behavior is omnipresent on my fiance's old 4S, which IIRC runs some flavor of iOS 9.
buggy MFi (Score:4, Interesting)
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Can you give some more in
Tip of an iceberg (Score:3)
This isn't counting the clusterfuck that is the ugly iPhone Ecks knob and corresponding "safe area" hack.
Thousands of app authors have had to modify their code (and worse - other people's code) to work correctly with that nonsense, and the cumulative cost of all those wasted person-hours is probably in the millions.
Article is trash (Score:5, Insightful)
This article (more like a blog post) sounds like a teenager ranting in the most irrational way not providing coherent evidence for their claims many of which are ambiguous. Any review that uses terminology like "sucks" or "monkey armpits" and juxtaposes Samsung vs. Apple without any real comparison of the two products sounds like an article that isn't interested in providing useful information to consumers. They either 1) want to just rant and listen to themselves talk or 2) want to get ad revenue from sensationalism or both.
Why does this trash keep getting posted to slashdot?
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It's anti-Apple, that's why. Apple used to be cool on Slashdot but then they remembered they needed to be profitable and started making decisions that Slashdotters don't like but (judging by their financial results) a lot of people do.
Apparently some things don't line up the way the author likes so he's having a rant.
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As long as the hardware is working, the software can be addressed, updated, fixed.. And most likely will, and driven with automatic updates which aren't governed by carrier device lifecycles, which have made most other brand's handsets stuck with bad software after
That's an Apple user alright (Score:5, Insightful)
It's been two full months since Apple released iOS 11 to millions and millions of devices worldwide, and the software is still just buggy as hell. Some of the glitches are ugly or just unexpected from a company that has built a reputation for flawless software. Shame on me for always expecting perfection from an imperfect company, I guess.
This perfectly defines an Apple user. You get rawdogged all the way to the bank, and you blame yourself for getting boned! If this was Windows, you'd be blaming Microsoft, if this was Unix, you'd be blaming open source, if this was the Republicans, you'd be blaming the Democrats (and vice versa), but when it comes to Apple, it's not their fault the software is buggy, it's yours for expecting Apple to deliver on their promises.
Certainly More Problems Than Prior Releases (Score:5, Interesting)
I have an Android phone (my personal phone) and an iPhone 6 (work provided)
There are aspects of iOS that I think are superior to Android. But it does seem that Apple rush-botched iOS 11.
Notifications: There is no way to clear all recent notifications at once. This only becomes available after they have "aged" enough. I like to keep the notifications clean, so this really bothers me. I have to clear them one at a time. Why take away the "Clear" function from the top of the notification list?
Battery life is noticeably worse than it was with iOS 10. The first unpatched iOS 11 was just awful. Once-a-day charging was the norm, then I could not get past 5pm without having to charge the phone. Patches have since made this better, but iOS 11 still sucks battery faster than iOS 10.
The swipe-up panel is terrible. Definitely a case of changing for the sake of change.
Auto-brightness. Which genius decided to bury this setting under "General --> Accessibility --> Display Accomodations"? Why isn't it under "Display & Brightness" from the main settings page? And if you manually change brightness from the swipe-up panel, auto-brightness is disabled. Then begins the lengthy PITA that is finding the Auto-Brightness option and enabling it again
To list some that come to mind. But there's more ... At least it seems that Apple is responding and issuing iOS 11 patches fairly quickly. But, really, these things should not have been released into the wild initially.
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The swipe-up panel is terrible.
And I really wonder how that works with the iPhone X's "swipe up for home"... but that's not an iOS 11 issue, so...
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Yes, you can control the brightness via the control center. But there's no way to turn Auto-Brightness on/off. Every time I manually adjust (or accidentally touch the brightness slider), Auto-brightness is disabled. I have to go into the settings labyrinth to enable auto-brightness again. I'm not saying that it should not keep the brightness setting, I'm saying the Auto-Brightness option should be easier to access. There is no option to put Auto-Brightness on the control panel. I always have auto-brightness
Re: Certainly More Problems Than Prior Releases (Score:2)
I wish Google would slap down the ugliness of the ad-driven experience in Android.
Iâ(TM)m far less concerned about having ads pushed to me than I am about big brother google watching everything I do. And I hate ads.
Then thereâ(TM)s Googleâ(TM)s practice of âoeopen source, but we wonâ(TM)t accept your changes, so go fork yourself.â
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11.1 seems to work well on my iPhone 5S. I've had a couple of times when I lost battery charge fast, but usually it's fine. (My battery's also getting pretty old.) I haven't noticed anything else that annoyed me.
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Huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
I've just spent the last 5 days coordinating a trade show, messaging like mad across iMessage, Hangouts, and e-mail, both from inside the apps and from the home screen. The problems described simply do not occur on my phone. I'm not sure why, but maybe the situation is just not as bad as this reviewer describes and the problem does not afflict every phone equally.
Dunno about most of this (Score:2)
Of course it is still buggy as hell. (Score:2)
It doesn't matter (Score:2)
Oh, the irony... (Score:2)
Makes you Wonder (Score:2)
X.0 was buggy, the rest not (Score:4, Informative)
11.0 was buggy. 11.1 fixed most of it. Iâ(TM)m on 11.2 beta and itâ(TM)s much improved.
People griped the same about 9.0 and 10.0. This isnâ(TM)t much different
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It's the typical "dot oh" is buggy for pretty much any commercial software...
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People griped the same about 9.0 and 10.0. This isnâ(TM)t much different
People griped far less.
Fire Scott Forstall! That'll fix it... (Score:2)
... oh wait.
Maybe Scott had a legitimate reason not to sign the letter.
"a reputation for flawless software" (Score:2)
Seriously?!? (Score:2)
"I'm using iOS 11 right now, and it makes me want to stab my eyes with a steel wire brush until I get face jam."
A statement like that makes me wonder about the writer's sanity and qualifications. Perhaps he is the problem.
Our family has iOS11 on one device, being cautious of new upgrades, and so far no problems but we're probably just not pushing the wire brush far enough into our orifices.
Flawless software... wait, what? (Score:2)
a company that has built a reputation for flawless software
Oh come on. Nobody remembers Macos? The Macintosh bomb? [aolcdn.com] Pretty much anything developed by Apple in-house? Flawless software... don't make me chuck my cookies. Reputation, yes, a reputation built by pure spin and outright lying. Flawless and Apple do not belong in the same sentence.
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The "bugs" are almost all sufficiently minor to not bother people without OCD issues.
From a brand that used to pride itself on impeccable visual design, that's actually quite sad. From Microsoft, or even most Android manufacturers, it wouldn't be such a big deal, because that level of visual perfection was never their thing and they never attracted those OCD users in the first place like Apple did.
Apple spent years cultivating the following of these people, now they're seeing what happens when you trigger them.
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The "bugs" are almost all sufficiently minor to not bother people without OCD issues.
From a brand that used to pride itself on impeccable visual design, that's actually quite sad. From Microsoft, or even most Android manufacturers, it wouldn't be such a big deal, because that level of visual perfection was never their thing and they never attracted those OCD users in the first place like Apple did.
Apple spent years cultivating the following of these people, now they're seeing what happens when you trigger them.
There's no way to be certain but if there were, I'd wager everything I could that almost all the "claimed OCD iOS users" are instead apple haters flocking to another molehill in attempts to build another fake mountain.
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Or, you know, one could use the modding of people who comment on stories that paint Apple badly on slashdot compared to other site like Ars Technica as a proxy.
There aren't enough OCD perfectionists in the world to make up enough people claiming "Not neatly aligning the heading with the search bar" == "Buggy as hell". However the ranks of Android zealots here that see Everest behind every molehill ...
On Slashdot, people who point out legitimate inconsistencies in stories like the "FaceTime already HACKED" s
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Apple's advantage used to be that these issues, no matter how small and seemingly meaningless they may be, simply did not exist. That has been less and less the case each year since Jobs died, yet Apple still markets themselves as though it is an absolute truth.
Don't you think that might be why Apple gets shit on for things li
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Yup, FaceID. Brain fart.
Oh stop with the laughably transparent straw men will you? "Apple used to be perfect", "Apple presents themselves as flawless", "Ever since Jobs died Apple has lost it's way", etc. You're not fooling anyone with the fake arguments.
There have _always_ been issues with iPhone software, from the first iPhone to every single release since then. No native apps. No flash. Not all apps are retina. The new taller screen format isn't supported by all apps. It doesn't sync with my work exchang
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The thing is, one can only judge who you are on the Internet from what you post & not what you claim to own.
Instead of going to Ars, reading for yourself the difference in tone/content and judging for yourself, you say "if you say so" and list a bunch of apple gear (which changes nothing).
I will climb down off of labelling you a hater though, If what you've revealed is true, you're an Apple malcontent still pissed that Apple discontinued your favorite 17" MBP. Nothing Apple has done since (& I'm not
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Instead of going to Ars, reading for yourself the difference in tone/content and judging for yourself
What makes you think I haven't? It's possible that we simply disagree on this matter. In fact, that's the reality.
one or two have shrink tube thermoplastic I added to protect the flaking cords
Oh god, the flaking cords. I always forget about those unless I have my charger plugged in... They need to fix that issue, seriously; I think most of us would accept a slight change in the texture of the cord if it meant not having to replace it in less than 2 years. With 3 Mac laptops in the house, I'm replacing one every 9 months or so.
I'll say, though, the original charger that came with th
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We agree that Apple power cords, lightning/dock/usb cables and headphone cables eventually have the white plastic/rubber sheath flake.. I've moved on to cables with braided exteriors when possible and for some things like dongle cables, a shrink-wrap overload is fine but the magsafes, ah, theres the rub...
That said, all my magsafes are still functional. I have 3 anyway so I can leave one home, one at work and take one with me (and can use the home/work one if I forget my normal one at a client's site). The
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Decades of, "My Mac NEVER crashes!!!", while the machine promptly explodes in their face, and they immediately blame it on a bad 3rd-party system extension. Don't get me started about all the problems I had with my own personal Macs, like the DVI-D ports not working with any monitor I plugged into it, no audio or CD-ROMs after an OS update (and no patch ever released to fix it), the power cable not wanting to stay in its socket because they insisted in using a proprietary cable with no friction or retentio
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Yeah sure. but you'd never actually _test_ it without the 3rd party extension as that would prove that they were right & you were an idiot. Much better for your ego to hide behind "they wuz wrong"...
Yeah verily, Apple has sucked sooo bad _every_ year since the 90's you're whining about that it turned them from nearly bankrupt into the 900 billion dollar company they are today.
Still burns that they were right, huh?
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I saw the Mac as something better in 2010. That perception has faded a bit more each year since Lion came out. That's not be
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Ahhhh, _intelligent_ criticism! It's almost as if it's 2007 on slashdot again...
Re: Apple absent at the high end: No argument. Some are still holding their breath waiting for Tim Cook's promises of a new modular mac but most have died of asphyxia.
My first Mac was a Mac II (the first modular mac) running A/UX. I kept it as our main computer for over a decade but eventually moved to PC's when I needed windows for work compatibility. When VMWare became sufficiently mature (& Vista induced projectile vomiti
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Why not shut spotlight down or limit it through settings>Spotlight>Search results/Privacy? If it's _that_ bad it's what I'd do.
Been there, done that. I don't use Apple Mail or any of the apps it wanted to index, so of course I turned those off; same for iCloud. I do use spotlight, so shutting it down entirely would not be an option.
You _have_ attempted to see if a clean install (with no apps/files copied over) has the same issues?
Well, then the 2011's GPU died, and I couldn't get it to boot into a usable state to get files off of it (I did eventually pull the drive and get at the files before wiping the drive and installing Ubuntu on it) and I ran out and bought this machine, that's how I started with this machine. I expected ind
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Perhaps they don't want to admit they made a mistake hiring him?
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I would gladly carry an extra 1/4" thick phone if someone would bring back the slideout keyboard style.
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Same here. That was one of the major points of the original Motorola Droid for myself and my wife. We almost exclusively used the slide out keyboard.
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Why not just get a bluetooth keyboard? What way you keep it in the pocket and only take it out when you have to type?
https://www.amazon.com/Bluetoo... [amazon.com]
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I don't want to have to dig something else out of my pocket.
The convenience of watching a video or reading a web page, get a text, slide out the keyboard and fire off a reply, slide it back, back to whatever you were doing was great. I just don't like touch screen typing much, generally why my conversations with my kids have devolved into me sending them random memes I have saved on my phone when they ask me something. This also provides the general confusion factor as majority of the time the response ha
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Why should I pay the extra cost of making a phone that's thin enough to chop onions with just to spend even more money to make it thick enough to have a decent battery life and not snap in half if I sneeze too hard?
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That new headquarters isn't going to pay for itself, you know.
Only $250 billion? (Score:2)
Is this a time for charity? Should each of us send Apple a dollar?
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Steve, is that you? How's it going down there?
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It's an open secret that when an iPhone installs an iOS update it erases the search database on the phone (Sherlock?). It can take several days to re-build that database and during that time the device does act sluggish and hotter than normal. Then things go back to normal.
That's why there's a rash of complaints every time the OS gets updated that the new version makes it slower.
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