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Ray Ozzie Quit... What Took Him So Long? 224

GMGruman writes "The mainstream press acts surprised that Microsoft's chief software architect is resigning, but InfoWorld's Woody Leonhard explains through a review of Ozzie's efforts at Microsoft how the Redmond giant has consistently ignored and squandered the design savvy that Ozzie has tried to bring to the table. If you ever wondered why Microsoft's products like Windows and Office are so bloated and underwhelming, while Apple's are almost always wonderful experiences, this analysis will solve that mystery. And you too will wonder how Ozzie could have lasted so long at a company that doesn't believe in design."
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Ray Ozzie Quit... What Took Him So Long?

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  • Re:Wow.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Moryath ( 553296 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @01:27PM (#33949014)

    Yeah. the testing I've done on it shows that Win7 runs nicely on decently old hardware - actually runs better than Vista on the same hardware - provided you turn off the Aero interface. Do you lose visual perks? Sure. But it runs just fine.

    I get the feeling the poster who submitted this just happened to be a brainwashed Apple fanboi. And I echo your complaints about the shitty quality of iTunes, which slows any system it gets on to a crawl.

  • Re:Wow.... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by zombieChan51 ( 1862028 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @01:39PM (#33949200) Homepage
    MS products are not bloated hunks of shit that are force on you at work by ill-informed IT managers

    Not quite the case, the developers choose the tools at my place of work. We're using Microsoft products.
  • by eyenot ( 102141 ) <eyenot@hotmail.com> on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @01:42PM (#33949230) Homepage

    Is it just me or is slashdot being used as a battleground for geek opinion? Whenever there's news about some company, that same day, sometimes within a couple of hours, there's counter-news or propaganda that spin the situation or introduce some other closely related variable that seems intended to take advantage of the information the news dissipated. Is slashdot basically commercially compromised at this point?

  • Re:Wow.... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by numbski ( 515011 ) <numbskiNO@SPAMhksilver.net> on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @01:42PM (#33949238) Homepage Journal

    Does it matter when it's true?

  • by CokoBWare ( 584686 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @01:45PM (#33949274)

    The OP is full of sh*t. I worked in MS Hardware at one point, and the UX team there led the way in many aspects of UX in MS's hardware products at one point. This spilled over into their supporting software products too. The company as a whole has been pushing hard in the UX space for quite some time, and there just aren't enough UX specialists to go around... the industry has been in a deficit for quite some time. Apple learned early on the UX side and this has been a tenet for them for quite some time. This is blatant trolling to say MS doesn't believe in design... making broad statements without really knowing what they are talking about. Windows 7 and Office 2010 represent a new era of MS apps with a strong emphasis on UX. IMHO, I think they are great advances in making MS products better overall for the user.

  • Re:Wow.... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @01:49PM (#33949328)

    Um, the bloat he is talking about is not performance bloat, but design bloat. Apple products generally win on look and feel by a long shot. Without that design advantage, apple would not bring anything to the table. They focus on design to a fault, letting features and technical prowess slide as long as it looks good. Microsoft products look designed by comittee, with some good ideas, but a general lack of cohesiveness. Features are all over the place, and the steps to perform each kind of task are inconsistent. Their choice of what features to showcase and which to hide away is often baffling to me.

    But if you disagree with Apple's design sense, it can be far more off-putting than the more mish-mash style of Microsoft, because the things you dislike about it permeate the entire product. In certain segments far more people agree with apple's design sense than with the competition, these are the segments where Apple wins. Generally these segments are artistic leaning - which makes sense. Ipod which caters to musical demographic, and design/art school for the OS. Other segments, such as office products, want something more utilitarian than strongly designed.

    If microsoft wants to compete with apple in those segments, it needs to add some design, and it's a shame Ozzie has left. However, there are segments where Microsoft already dominates, which don't have a strong need for it. They may instead choose to focus on these areas where they are strong rather than try and compete in areas where they are weak.

  • by Belial6 ( 794905 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @02:06PM (#33949586)
    You joke, but Microsoft has been trying to make their own version of Notes/Domino for as long as I have been working with it. I remember back in ~1996 I went to a MS event where they were telling us how Exchange was going to be the groupware product that surpassed Notes. It didn't take long before they gave up on creating a groupware environment via technical means, and just worked on redefining the word groupware.

    Now in 2010, the closes they have is Sharepoint. I have been doing some research into it recently as I will soon be doing some work in it, and it appears to be somewhere between Notes/Domino 3 and 4. It appears to be a decade behind.

    I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised because I will be working with it whether it is ahead of it's time or behind.
  • by CAIMLAS ( 41445 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @02:29PM (#33949982) Homepage

    I have the opposite experience: "Apple" programs are invariably frustrating UI experiences, vs. Microsoft ones, which (aside from the Ribbon of Agitation) are quite a bit more sensible.

    I should note that I'm not a serious user of either OS; I've been using Linux almost exclusively for 12 years, and have only briefly used one or the other for work (roughly equal proportions).

    Considering a development project, I looked at both Xcode and Visual Studio 2008. The ease with which I could start and get a basic app going in VS2k8 was many, many times easier than in Xcode (all previous development has been done on console with vi/vim, cvs, and the like - no GUI stuff).

    I'm not even sure how Apple UIs could be considered 'better'. The only think remotely 'superior' about Apple's UI at this point in the game is their control panel, which is fairly minimal on text and clean. (There are also a lot fewer options, which is significant, IMO.)

... though his invention worked superbly -- his theory was a crock of sewage from beginning to end. -- Vernor Vinge, "The Peace War"