Blizzard Unbans Linux World of Warcraft Players 300
An anonymous reader writes "World of Warcraft players using Cedega (the Linux-based Windows emulator) had their bans lifted after an investigation by Blizzard in cooperation with the Cedega development team revealed that the bans were in fact made in error."
Gotta give 'em credit (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, that's good. (Score:5, Insightful)
I understand based on market share vs. time to develop why Blizzard doesn't have a linux client, but considering that they've got an OSX client I can't imagine the hurdles for porting are that high.
Good news for gold farmers (Score:1, Insightful)
2) Run your new Linux bot
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4) Profit!
One company that (sort of) gets it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Would I be pissed if I played and had an account locked/banned by this? Hell yeah. Would I be somewhat mollified by 20 days of play tacked onto my account and an e-mail apology with an admission of "We screwed up, sorry" to boot? Hell yeah!
A lot of companies these days don't listen to their "base" and ignore the customer as nothing more than a $ and a number. Blizzard isn't perfect on this account, but they're better than a lot of the major playors out there. Kudos to Blizzard for realizing their cash cow was supported by multiple _people_/players and not just a bunch of $$$ and random numbers called credit cards - and willing to work to fix the problem! Keep up the good work.
Re:Great News (Score:3, Insightful)
Nobody caught the error before the bans? (Score:2, Insightful)
Sorry for the rant, but this reflects on the society we are in today. Is it okay to ban someone without first investigating the cause?
Re:Apology AND free play time (Score:5, Insightful)
I've seen a multitude of people post on the forums saying they were banned as a Linux user and then posted the confirmation from Blizzard that they *re-investigated* it and confirmed they were using a 3rd party bot program.
If it were not for the overwhelming support of the Linux community I have no doubt there would be no admission and all of those people would be banned.
I hate bots in WoW as much as anyone, but Blizzard needs to WARN people that a 3rd party program is running on their system. WARN them. Every time it's detected.
Imagine when someone makes a virus/spyware/malware/whatever that runs as a process with the sole intent of appearing to be a bot to WoW. It most certainly would not be the first time someone did something for the sole purpose of being malicious and causing innocent web users/gamers harm.
Blizzard needs to do something to make it's customers feel safe - I sure as heck don't. Every time I get in game I do my best to close out ALL my running processes - IM's, VoIP, AV, et al - for fear one of them might do something to cause Blizzard to flag me as a cheater.
Why would a company treat it's customers like that?
Now The Winers Can Stuff It (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Apology AND free play time (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Apology AND free play time (Score:3, Insightful)
As for closing IM, VoIP and other programs: better safe than sorry. Though, its really unlikely that any third-party program that is NOT a wow cheat program will cause a problem. From what I understand, the game scans memory to see if unauthorized programs are reading/writing WoW's memory space. So just the mere fact that Blizzard has put such fear into you regarding cheating means that their system is working
Re:Apology AND free play time (Score:3, Insightful)
Don't be fooled, just because Blizzard reinstated those accounts using Linux doesn't mean it reinstated all accounts that were wrongfully banned. This is an extreme rarity, and I sincerely doubt anything would have been admitted by Blizzard were it not for the overwhelming support from the Linux community.
I mean, really - if you were wrongfully banned and Blizzard *re-investigated* your case and confirmed you were a cheater - even though you know you were not - and the ban stayed, do you think you would feel the same way about taking the latter? Not if it were someone else, if it were YOU?
Are you freaking kidding? (Score:4, Insightful)
If they didnt chase after those people in the first place, this wouldnt have been a problem in the first place.
If there wasnt ever a such thing as a computer invented, this wouldnt have been a problem in the first place.
Or perhaps most astutely of all... If Linux users represented enough of a market share to economically JUSTIFY blizard putting the time and effort into making a linux client, this wouldnt have been a problem in the first place.
I dont think i've ever seen a more fitting place for the line "cry more, noob". Yes, linux is great. Yes, it would be nice if there were more major games for it. No, its not a company's fault that they dont waste time catering to a fraction of their market. Blizzard is already unusual enough in fully supporting macs at launch.
Re:Now The Winers Can Stuff It (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Apology AND free play time (Score:3, Insightful)
What you can do is email wow-accountadmin@worldofwarcraft.com with your account name.
That's it. Precisely.
When you do this, Blizzard claims to *re-investigate* the ban. Which essentially means they are going to review the data they have that was originally used to diagnose your account as having cheated.
Therein lies a great portion of the problem - you truly have no means by which to defend yourself.
This is exactly why I say the Linux users would, without question, still be banned if it were not for the overwhelming support, demand, and publicity that the Linux community provided.
Blizzard DID re-investigate those people, and DID respond to their pleas of innocence - informing them they DID re-review their case and DID find they cheated. That is the process ALL banned accounts go through. The ONLY reason the Linux people got their bans lifted was the publicity and volume of complaints. A mere one guy with some weird program that somehow made them think he was cheating is flat out SCREWED.
Therein lies one of the biggest problems with how Blizzard handles this.
Giving people the opportunity to prove their innocence isn't really going to work well. Most people have problems with their own email, let alone proving they didn't cheat. I mean, I know a lot about IT - been working in the field for a decade - I wouldn't even know where to start. I could make up fictitious data all day to try and prove I was innocent but how could Blizzard possibly verify this short of physically having my computer?
Obviously no one wants Blizzard to lax up on cheaters, so the only solution I see is for Blizzard to at least give some warning - and give people a chance to correct/ remove the problem application before they ban them.
Granted, no one should get unlimited warnings - and you'll still likely end up with some level of false positives from the *impossible* users who somehow manage to contract every virus known to man just by visiting eBay, but it would drastically reduce both false positives and the use of cheats overall.
But at least they would have some semblance of a chance.
This would also provide Blizzard with a wealth of information - when people themselves are actually able to somewhat identify other possible instances when a false positive is identified.
I'm not saying I know the right way, or the best way to handle how WoW deals with cheats and cheaters - but I am definitely saying the way it is handled now is wrong and unfair.
That aside, the botters still bot. The reason? Because Blizzard doesn't ban them when they are caught - they wait months and months then do a mass ban. What is the point of even BOTHERING to ban these accounts when Blizzard allows them to continue cheating for MONTHS before banning them. Then the cheaters come RIGHT back - and in a week have a level 60 created by a bot - then get to use that level 60 for several months before it's banned. Rinse, repeat -- so to speak.
My idea of a better solution would be that users get a couple of warnings - with specific information listed so they can contact technical support and try to remove the offending program or provides Blizzard a chance to identify legitimate software giving false positives. To complement that - they need to ban repeat offenders WHEN they are identified as such - not wait several months.
I know that is a lot to absorb, but if you play WoW it will make sense. Essentially, what I am getting at is the true cheaters get to cheat anyway - they are merely inconvenienced by the bans - whereas legitimate players lose an account they dedicated actual time to.
To complement this all, they need to start banning credit cards also. After say a couple of account bans it's time to just say this credit card can no longer create another account.
Anyway, the point is there is a lot Blizzard could do to clear out
Re:Apology AND free play time (Score:3, Insightful)
They can't just do a per-character rollback because then you'll be able to easily dupe all your items by just giving it all away to a laundering account before contacting blizzard. You can't just take all the items back because they could have been legitly given away, not to mention disenchanted, enchanted with something new, or otherwise modified.
Re:Are you freaking kidding? (Score:2, Insightful)
The reason Linux doesn't have full gaming support is that the community simply hasn't chosen a stand-out front-runner. With Ubuntu's rise in popularity, I could see us getting a few "RUNS FINE ON UBUNTU!" stickers on the rare game box, but until we are no longer at a point that every person is running a completely different config, we're not going to get serious gaming attention. Debian, Suse, Slack, Knoppix, Fedora? Gnome, KDE, Xf?
Saying, "Make it work on Linux" is just plain silly, and any real *nix user knows that.
Re:Mac Client (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Apology AND free play time (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Are you freaking kidding? (Score:1, Insightful)
you appearently are not a real *nix user or at least not one who plays games. statically linked libs work just fine. usually the only minimum requirements are kernel version and a few libs all modern linux distributions will have already.
this is really not as difficult as you guys make it sound.
Re:Apology AND free play time (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Are you freaking kidding? (Score:3, Insightful)
How is it that NWN manages to run on just about every platform I've tried to run it on? I think you're a wii bit too concerned with technical details that are actually not that large a hurdle.