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The End of Net Anonymity In Brazil 242

DieNadel writes, "The Brazilian senate is considering a bill that will make it a crime to join a chat, blog, or download from the Internet without fully identifying oneself first. Privacy groups and Internet providers are very concerned, and are trying to lobby against the bill, but it seems they won't have much success." From the article: "If approved, it will be a crime, punishable with up to 4 years of jail time, to disseminate virus or trojans, unauthorizedly access data banks or networks and send e-mail, join chat, write a blog or download content anonymously."
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The End of Net Anonymity In Brazil

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  • Re:What about kids? (Score:2, Informative)

    by cyclops79 ( 966627 ) on Monday November 06, 2006 @01:58PM (#16737795)
    This is not about anonymous posting, but anonymous access.

    The users will only have internet access after supplying name, address, phone number and identity number to the ISP, who would then verify this information. Both the user and the ISP can be charged if they fail to do this properly.

    I live in Brazil, and this is what I could find so far.
  • Re:Don't Brazil Bash (Score:4, Informative)

    by rcastro0 ( 241450 ) on Monday November 06, 2006 @02:26PM (#16738191) Homepage
    >What is PSDB-MG, anyway? Piece of Shit Damn British MG?

    This is slashdot, and you didn't think a question like that would go unanswered, did you ?

    PSDB is Partido da Social Democracia Brasileira ( []) translates to the Brazilian Socio-Democracy Party. MG stands for Minas Gerais, the state Senator Azeredo represents.

    As a Brazilian I should add:
    * PSDB is the leading opposition party in Brazil. Its candidate just lost the presidential race (39% to 61%).
    * Normally I wouldn't think this sort of thing to come out of PSDB (usually more liberal than the government). But heck...
    * Mr Azeredo has been involved in an unrelated corruption scandal after proposing the law ("valerioduto").
    * I also do not agree with such a law, as many brazilians don't (babelfish this, for instance: A Liberdade da Rede corre Perigo [])
    * This law may not pass (be approved) -- I hope it won't.
    * Even if it does, it may not be enforceable, as someone here already pointed out -- Freenet comes to mind.
  • Re:I am very serious (Score:4, Informative)

    by quentin_quayle ( 868719 ) <quentin_quayle&yahoo,com> on Monday November 06, 2006 @02:33PM (#16738301)
    Assuming the country also allow freedom to express and identity thief, what is such a bad thing of removing annomity? Yes, I really want to know and read the assumption. So, educate me.

    If you mean "assuming the requirement is not abused", that would not be a serious question. Every coercive power over others is always abused, to the greatest degree that interested parties can get away with. The whole problem of freedom is minimizing the opportunities for such abuse.

    Of course no one objects to a prohibition of spreading malware. Here are a few of the more obvious problems with the removal-of-anonymity part.

    1. Government doesn't like opinions you express, you get hassled, prosecuted or worse on some other pretext.
    2. Employer doesn't like opinions you express, you lose the job (on some other pretext).
    3. This law is later followed by laws restricting what may be said - e.g. against racism or offending certain groups, as in Europe.
    4. Chilling effect on what people are willing to express, because of above items (self censorship).
    5. It later leads to an "internet license" requirement which is designed to keep disfavored people offline.
    6. Cyber-bullying, as in Korea recently, by hostile people who can find out your physical address.
    7. Site operators make deals with advertisers, and then your entire online history is sold and lives forever in corporate databases.
    8. Someone uses your credentials and whatever they do is legally attributed to you.
    9. When you complain of others' behavior online, the authorities say "Sorry we can't help; despite the law we couldn't identify that person" - maybe they just didn't want to take the trouble. But if you break the law you are prosecuted.
    10. ... too many more but I don't have time. Others can follow up.
  • by Zaatxe ( 939368 ) on Monday November 06, 2006 @02:34PM (#16738327)
    I'm from Brazil and if this law pass I will with I were in China.
    The worst part is what I saw on the local news: they want us not only to provide our ID data, but also PROVIDE A XEROX COPY OF OUR ID CARDS to the sites we wish to have access to! After they approve our data, we will be able to access them.

    Politicians don't have the slighest idea of how technology works...
  • by udderly ( 890305 ) * on Monday November 06, 2006 @02:37PM (#16738383)
    Perfect example: []
  • Re:Don't Brazil Bash (Score:2, Informative)

    by Frederico Camara ( 976080 ) on Monday November 06, 2006 @03:07PM (#16738899)
    I'm Brazillian.

    Have you heard about prizon riots in Sao Paulo - Brazil? PSDB is the party that have governed Sao Paulo State for the past 12 years, and will govern Sao Paulo State for the next 4 years. Eduardo Azeredo was president of the PSDB party (and founder) until he renounced this year, after he declared he received money channelled from the government in backdoor business deals, through Marcos Valerio.

    Laws in Brazil are usually proposed in response of something that happened. The text of the projects have lots of revisions and discussions before voting, and usually more revisions and more voting. The happening was Google refusing to cooperate with the police in identifying racist groups acting through Orkut. I think there are other better proposals to deal with this situation, Azeredo's just reacting "good vs evil" style.

    He may be crazy. I know he's scary.
  • Re:What about kids? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Monday November 06, 2006 @03:13PM (#16739007) Homepage
    Hahahahahahaha thanks for the laugh! Are you inferring that slashdot is the "intelligensia"? Funniest thing I've heard all week!

    No, but unless Brazil has changed very much in the last few years since I was there, if you're on internet regularly then you're probably fairly well off, or you are taking higher education. I guess that sounds funny to you and me (we've got 50% broadband coverage here, don't remember Internet in general). China isn't building their firewall just for fun either.
  • by ThiagoHP ( 910442 ) on Monday November 06, 2006 @06:40PM (#16743387)

    That senator, Eduardo Azeredo, belongs to the PSDB party, and PSDB is now opposition, not government.

    Eduardo Azeredo was the governor of my state, Minas Gerais []. He was accused of receiving illegal donations to his last run for the Minas Gerais government. The sad thing is that he is a former sofware developer and, with this law, proves that most polititions forget all the good knowledge when they have some power. The bills he's proposing (not just one) will have 0% effectivity against cybercrimes. Unfortunately, this guy still has more 4 years in our Senate. :(

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