Long-Term Wikipedia Vandalism Exposed 313
Daveydweeb writes, "The accuracy of Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia, came into question again when a long-standing article on 'NPA personality theory' was confirmed to be a hoax. Not only had the article survived at Wikipedia for the better part of a year, but it had even been listed as a 'Good Article,' supposedly placing it in the top 0.2-0.3% of all Wikipedia articles — despite being almost entirely written by the creator of the theory himself."
This is why you need multiple sources (Score:5, Insightful)
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Wikipedia should NEVER be cited (Score:5, Insightful)
I've written several articles on Wikipedia on obscure things (Phosphatidylmyo-inositol_mannosides [wikipedia.org]) which was just an exercise in me understanding my own research, but the stuff I've written, even if heavily sourced on Wikipedia is so obscure I could just make up anything about that and it would likely fly. And the truth is, if I write anything that seems correct, for the most part it will last because it seems correct And therein lies the problem that an unmoderated system cannot solve for. Wikipedia assumes honorable and intelligent users and gives enormous privileges to these users, when just one bad apple can go around slowly obscuring fact with fiction.
Anyway, I've ranted here which is not what I really wanted, but my point is simple: Wikipedia is a good starting point, but should never ever be used as a cited source. Find the information you discover in Wikipedia in another source and use that. And, because you should be a good wikipedia user, put that source into the article.
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Good post. I'd like to elaborate on one important reason for this.
One of Wikipedia's policies is that no Wikipedia articles should contain any original research. And so any ideas
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I sometimes use Wikipedia as a place to get some information that I will have to carefully verify using other sources. I would never trust anything on Wikipedia to be right and would never cite it as a source in a paper. You just never know on Wikipedia when you're going to run into some BS (for the reason you described).
A number of Wikpedia articles are great, but I've noticed too many misleading articles, or articles with just tons of crap in t
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Nor should the "doesn't contain original research" rule be used -- it's perfectly fine to cite a source that's a rehash of stuff for background information. Encyclopedi
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Citing_Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]
"The citation should normally include the full date and time of the article revision you are using... the URL include[s] a unique identifier such that you can tie your reference back to the exact version of the article you are referencing."
Re:Wikipedia should NEVER be cited (Score:4, Interesting)
People frequently make the mistake of thinking that this problem is exclusive to wikipedia. That is false. That problem plagues every aspect of Academia that it isn't even funny. Everyone who spent his fair share of research hours in any university library already stumbled on contradictory information, incorrections and even outright lies on publications adopted by the libraries and in even cases by the courses themselves. These are publications which were heavily edited and in some cases even reeditions.
Moreover, academic fraud is always popping up. Things like falsifying results and messing up with the research variables pop up from time to time. If that type of fraud happens on academic circles where the scientific method is intensely applied and revered, why does it shock anyone when someone makes stuff up in a wiki? But thankfully in a wiki there may be quite a few eyes monitoring the development and, when necessary, edit the text and correct that. That doesn't happen with a book.
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A few months earlier, I was getting nasty letter
How many times... (Score:3, Insightful)
Saying that a certain percentage of articles undermines the whole encyclopedia is likening everybody to criminals just because some of us are.
I just can't believe people are still beating this drum - when will individual cases like this stop making /. news?
Irregardless is not a fucking word (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Irregardless is not a fucking word (Score:4, Funny)
Yes it is, I saw it in wikipedia!
Irregardless is a word [wikipedia.org]
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So is irregardless [m-w.com]: The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose.
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innit true there aint no reason it can't be one? (Score:2)
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http://m-w.com/dictionary/fucking [m-w.com]
Of course (Score:2)
Not a Hoax (Score:5, Insightful)
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Well no, because it would still have been little-known/accepted, violating the notability requirement.
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It's easier to say you're an encyclopedia that way... I guess? Seems to limit the completeness of articles if you ask me. Wikipedia is just another source, as likely to be wrong at 3:27PM as it is to be right at 3:26PM.
Sure is great though - but it is NOT an "encyclopedia".
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Why not 1st hand source? (Score:2)
Sometimes a 2nd hand source can leave out information which is critical to understanding the whole article. If the article was about something I did, I should be allowed to edit the wiki and add or edit any information which I think is missing or is incorrect. Some may have a tendency to exaggerate, but that's
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_origina
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fact is while wikipedia can't stop people writing about subjects they have a personal interest in, such works are generally pretty easy to spot as they are generally hugely biased and are generally candidates for deletion on notability grounds.
If one research paper is really the only point of view that exists on a subject then it probablly isn't notable enough for wikipedia anyway.
and not vandalism (Score:2)
It's as much news as "Troll gets FP on Slashdot!" Big deal. Slashdot trolls are modded down, Wiki trolls are fixed or deleted.
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Proof the system works (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure you can create a false article. It's not like scientists have never falsified their research and published it in a journal, for example.
The proof is whether they're caught and the mistakes are corrected. In an obscure subject this may take a while in ANY format.
People need to learn to apply good research skills across the board, not just to wikis.
Considering the source is one of these.
Re:Proof the system works (not) (Score:2)
Sure it works - but not even remotely to specs. Wikipedia consistently claims that 'problem articles' are (supposedly) caught and fixed in fairly short order. (Minutes to hours is the figure most often bandied about.) Yet here, and in the Siegenthaler Affair, is a case of a problem article that persisted for months.
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Both articles about uninteresting subjects, rarely accessed by anyone except the original authors. Instead of "minutes" vs "months", probably a better metric would be number of times a dubious page is read before it's noticed and fixed. Perhaps a few dozen in each case I'd guess.
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In this case the fault was lurking in Wikipedia for nearly a year. But when the problem arised (Hey, guys, look at this article. Doesn't it look suspicious?) it was dealt with on short notice. It's the same with bugs. Of course bugs exists everywhere, but one of the main problems with existing bugs is, that they aren't discovered, until someone stumbles on it and can nai
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Self-Reinforcing Proof (Score:2)
The system is self-reinforcing in
Openness also leads to better error-detection (Score:2)
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As to your second point, that's a false dichotomy. No one is claiming that the Encyclopaedia Britannica (or any other traditional encyclopaedia) is 100% accurate, but I think it's fair to say that you won't find entries in the E.B. along the lines of "KLINGON: Klingons are toal fagz omg!"
Veering off-topic, much of the active Wikipedia population suffers from the very same affliction en
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Britannica isn't the only encyclopedia around. There's a lot of much smaller ones. What would be the result of exposing something similar in any other encyclopedia? My best guess is that if you contacted one with a correction you'd be likely to be silently ignored. The press would probably ignore as well, unless you had something really juicy for them.
I only remember hearing of one of those cases on TV: 12 year old found several mistakes in an ency [timesonline.co.uk]
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The creator? (Score:2)
Re:The creator? (Score:4, Informative)
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Of course, soon thereafter, the articles would
Is it possible to read deleted articles? (Score:3, Interesting)
I know that right now I can use caches or Wikipedia mirrors to access the article, but imagine if somebody ten years into the future want to read the offending article. (It had to have some interesting stuff, since it had been picked out as a Good Article earlier.)
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Wikipedia admins are able to view deleted edits and deleted articles. General users cannot, however. As a rule, very few things ever completely disappear from Wikipedia--someone, at some rank, can access past and deleted versions.
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Mirrors (Score:2)
For instance http://www.answers.com/topic/npa-personality-theo
Misleading Summary (Score:3, Insightful)
It seems that the true nature of the article is far, far more boring than what the summary leads you to believe.
The Summary is Misleading (Score:2)
It's gone now, isn't it? (Score:2)
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*yawn*
Anti-WP? (Score:2)
Google Cache of the NPA wikipedia page (Score:4, Informative)
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:UZxn8h7HkXcJ:
Wikipedia should have releases (Score:2)
The user could indicate in a profile whether she wants stable/testing or unstable pages, maybe even sections/volumes whatever could be separately specified.
The stable version could only be edited by assigned editors and mostly for typos and broken references and such. If an error is found it could be indicated with a note of di
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Someone needs to go out more (Score:2)
If a "classic" encyclopedia was to be examined for accuracy, you can be sure you'll find multiple instances of brutal inaccuracy. We're friggin' human, nothing we create is perfect, and we're not perfect, and the world isn't perfect. Deal with it.
Man, there is a LOT OF FUD right now. (Score:2)
New Idea: (Score:2)
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Seems to be one of the more reliable ways to research.
Wikipedia only exposes a long term problem (Score:2)
There are two special d
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In a long-running trend towards universal, free, correct, unbiased knowledge for everyone, Wikipedia the most recent step. Of course we are still far from the goal, but we are much closer than we were a few years ago. I believe Wikipedia is very far from perfect and must be modified/replaced in time. But overall, and including factors other than accuracy (esp. price, volume, topicality), it a better provider of knowledge availabilit
Fair point (Score:2)
Commercial fork of wikipedia? (Score:2)
(1) Wikipedia has a tremendous amount of high quality, accurate information.
(2) Wikipedia has a large amount of bogus info, misleading statements, and other problems.
My Opinion:
(3) Wikipedia could be made more accurate/better if articles were systematically reviewed by experts.
(4) The only practical way for (3) to be accomplished is it were organized and run by an extremely well financed non-profit or a private company that could somehow recoup its investment by selling access, advertis
The mirrors (Score:2)
I never liked how so freaking many website do more or less subtle mirrors of Wikipedia. Not for licensing reasons -- they have full permissions to do this if obeying the GFDL -- but because Wikipedia is often freaking unverified information. You'd think about.com and the likes would know better!
Spotted quickly when linked to another article (Score:2)
Usually these articles are spotted when the author in question links them to an existing article. See for example this piece of nonsense [wikipedia.org] which is working its way through AfD at the moment. I spotted it when it was linked to the existing Penal Colony article which is on my watchlist.
Rich.
This just goes to show... (Score:2)
This reminds me of the article that appeared in a couple of Australian newspapers today, mentioning Brandt's findings of 142 copyvio's on Wikipedia. By the time the newspaper article was published, Wikipedia admins had located and fixed all articles mentioned, plus another hundred or so. Good work dead-tree press!
Three Wikipedia articles on /. front page? (Score:2)
Stop the Press! (Score:2)
Why is anyone at all surprised that Wikipedia is stuffed to the gills with junk and propaganda?
Oh, and let's get rid of another myth. You don't have to believe everything you read on Wikipedia - really? There are at least 965 domains that scrape Wikipedia's content and serve it up with advertising. Chances are, almost any factual subject searched for on Google will include Wikipedia and/or the scrapers.
Most people are unaware of these scraper sites, and they don't realise that t
Call Off The Celebration! (Score:2)
Transparent Process (Score:2)
Scrap the whole thing (Score:2)
Here it is, for your reading pleasure (Score:2)
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I don't see the problem here (Score:2)
This info isn't "unconfirmed". NPA personality theory exists:
NPA personality theory is not widely known in psychology. As far as I can tell, there is only a single unique publication about NPA theory: Toward Self and Sanity by Anthony M. Benis, a bo
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If wikipedias rules preclude this, then wikipedias rules are wrong.
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Now still think there's anything wrong with deleting that article ?
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Well, you clearly have a different standard of notability than mainstream Wikipedians. Although Wikipedia is far more inclusive than a paper encyclopedia, they are not indiscriminate in what they will take. While Wikipedia is not paper [wikipedia.org], it's also not a place for a person's original research [wikipedia.org], nor is it an information dump [wikipedia.org].
If someone publishes a vanity book on their own personal theory which no one in their field has read, criticized, cited, expanded upon, analyzed, etc., it's flat-out not notable. It's
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Somehow I don't think Wikipedia is your English teacher's main concern with you.
Re:Really? Unconfirmed info on wikipedia?!? (Score:4, Insightful)
If you ever cite any sort of encyclopedia in your work, any decent teacher should give you a big fat 0. Only valid use of an encyclopedia is checking an entry for something you're unfamiliar with, to learn a general overview and get leads about what you should research.
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It's not a "failed experiment". It's just not suitable as an authoritative academic reference. No one ever claimed that it was or could be.
Re:Really? Unconfirmed info on wikipedia?!? (Score:4, Funny)
I don't believe this is true at all!
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Wikipedia is not the place for this as they explicitly state, there are scientific publications and other websites for such things. Experts in fields have a lot better things to do than argue with some moron about why their crack pot theory m
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